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Is 3000mhz good enough?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

So just yesterday I upgraded to an R7 3700x, 16gb 3600mhz ram, and an ASRock X470 Master SLI/ac. 

When trying to overclock my memory I was only able to get it to 3066mhz. Even playing with timings and the voltage at 1.35 I was unable to get it past that. I suspect I can’t push it farther because this $140 board doesn’t let you adjust ram voltage from the bios.

 

What should I do? Is it not worth it? Should I return my x470 and get a better x470? Or just do x570?

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11 minutes ago, mattdmg said:

this $140 board 

oof, massive ripoff. $100 max for this fancy (if even that) yet lackluster board when it comes to performance.

 

11 minutes ago, mattdmg said:

doesn’t let you adjust ram voltage from the bios.

I doubt that, I think it's just hidden somewhere. Even the Pro4 can adjust memory voltage


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

oof, massive ripoff. $100 max for this fancy (if even that) yet lackluster board when it comes to performance.

 

I doubt that, I think it's just hidden somewhere. Even the Pro4 can adjust memory voltage

Any idea where it would be? 

 

Also, any better X470 alternatives that are high good for $140?

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Just now, mattdmg said:

Any idea where it would be? 

 

Also, any better X470 alternatives that are high good for $140?

see "DRAM voltage"

 

no, because at this price point it's the MSI B450 ATX boards that stab this thing from the back. If you want to go higher then the next step up is the X470 Taichi at $160.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
22 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

see "DRAM voltage"

 

no, because at this price point it's the MSI B450 ATX boards that stab this thing from the back. If you want to go higher then the next step up is the X470 Taichi at $160.

But at that point should I just get an X570? That’s about where they start

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25 minutes ago, mattdmg said:

But at that point should I just get an X570? That’s about where they start

$160 X570 boards are totally barren in their I/O section. Even if you go higher on a $180-200 Asus TUF Plus Wifi X570 board (already one of the best cheap X570) it's still inferior to say a Taichi in features.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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matt, to answer your original question, is 3000mhz good enough? I suppose it is "good enough" but you will be missing about 3-5% in performance.

 

Did you test if the ram is defective?

 

I have a 3700x on B450 MSI Pro carbon ac and I bought 3200mhz CL14 ram. It went straight to 3600mhz 16-16-16  straight out of the box. No tweaking, just set and go. But the ram I bought used samsung b-die modules. It was a little more expensive but it was worth it

 

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3000 is good enough.

Sure 3200 is better but honestly if you have a good kit of DDR4 3000 you are good to go on AMD ryzen

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3600MHZ is said to be the sweet spot with Ryzen 3000, there is gains to go with higher memory speed. Don't forget that Zen 2 is new to the market and you will see many BIOS update for unstable RAM and CPU overclock, you will see improvement in the near futur. One thing you can do is ask Asrock about the issue, and tell them its unstable, but you have to make sure YOU are not causing the issue first.

What are the primary and secondary timings?What is the CPU SOC voltage, Zen 2 is not suposed to be affected as the Zen+ on infinity fabric but who knows. How do you OC the RAM. You can try set crazy lazy timings then set speed as high as you can then lower timings, you can increase voltage and see how it goes but some RAM chips don't scale on higher voltage. But like i said you may do all that and still be unable to increase RAM speed to 3600mhz because the BIOS is too unstable yet.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

see "DRAM voltage"

 

no, because at this price point it's the MSI B450 ATX boards that stab this thing from the back. If you want to go higher then the next step up is the X470 Taichi at $160.

Yea it's literally not there

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7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

$160 X570 boards are totally barren in their I/O section. Even if you go higher on a $180-200 Asus TUF Plus Wifi X570 board (already one of the best cheap X570) it's still inferior to say a Taichi in features.

 

6 hours ago, Mathieu9836 said:

3600MHZ is said to be the sweet spot with Ryzen 3000, there is gains to go with higher memory speed. Don't forget that Zen 2 is new to the market and you will see many BIOS update for unstable RAM and CPU overclock, you will see improvement in the near futur. One thing you can do is ask Asrock about the issue, and tell them its unstable, but you have to make sure YOU are not causing the issue first.

What are the primary and secondary timings?What is the CPU SOC voltage, Zen 2 is not suposed to be affected as the Zen+ on infinity fabric but who knows. How do you OC the RAM. You can try set crazy lazy timings then set speed as high as you can then lower timings, you can increase voltage and see how it goes but some RAM chips don't scale on higher voltage. But like i said you may do all that and still be unable to increase RAM speed to 3600mhz because the BIOS is too unstable yet.

Actually the sweetspot is 3200. Most YouTube dudes benchmarked it themselves and found that out.

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1 hour ago, xBLUEDOGx said:

 

Actually the sweetspot is 3200. Most YouTube dudes benchmarked it themselves and found that out.

I didnt say anything about that, why quote me?


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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