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Ryzen 5 3600X: X470 vs X570 pros/cons?

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X470

Pros: More features than X570, cheaper, good enough power delivery

Cons: No out of the box compatibility with 3rd gen, not all can flash bios without compatible CPU (regarding the older bios) to support new CPUs (including the X470 Carbon)

 

X570

Pros: PCIe 4, if you're rich enough to justify spending extra on PCIe 4 SSD rather than something else. Out of the box compatiblity with 3rd gen, overkill power delivery

Cons: So expensive, they only make sense because they have these pros. Otherwise they get beaten by X470, even B450 boards

 

Also dont get the 3600X unless the 3600 is equally priced. Their performance difference is miniscule compared to the usual price difference of $50.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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If you can push to a 300$ board on x570 its worth it.

 

At at 250$ board at x570 its its a bit "meh". 

 

 

Taichi x570 is a really good board atm. 

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From what I've seen x570 boards are all high end and priced to match, making them a not very logical pairing with anything under the 3900X imo.  Maybe we'll see cheaper 5** series boards come out at some point (I would really expect and hope so) but for the time being it seems like AMD expects people to just buy last gen unless they want the top of the line.

 

Also I second the notion that the 3600x doesn't make much sense unless a sale makes it cost the same as a 3600.  Price jump is not worth the small performance bump.  In fact the "bump" is so small you'd be forgiven for claiming it doesn't even exist

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/4041vs4040

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Just an FYI I'm going with a 3600X or 3600 depending on price comparison to each other.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Also dont get the 3600X unless the 3600 is equally priced. Their performance difference is miniscule compared to the usual price difference of $50.

18.00 dollar difference on Amazon. Worth it?

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Just assembled my 3600x and MSI B450A Pro. With 36Gb of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 and a Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA M.2. After flashing the BIOS with the flashback button it booted right away.

 


Ryzen 3600X, MSI B450-A Pro, 32Ghz Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000mhz, Watercooled MSI GTX 1080 Armor,

Seasonic SSR-550rm, Samsung EVO 860 EVO SSD M.2, Rosewill Stryker M

 

Xeon X5680, X58 Sabertooth, 24GB KLEVV 1600Mhz , Windforce GTX 960 4GB OC, Corsair CX550M 

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1 minute ago, Myk3_Fury said:

18.00 dollar difference on Amazon. Worth it?

If you dont have your own cooler already, then  wraith spire + minor clock increase is reasonable for $18. I myself still wont pay for that extra.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
9 minutes ago, asand1 said:

Just assembled my 3600x and MSI B450A Pro. With 36Gb of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 and a Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA M.2. After flashing the BIOS with the flashback button it booted right away.

 

So did you need a 2nd gen cpu to do the bios upgrade for 3rd gen cpu's? Is the Wraith-Spire good enough for cooling?

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No CPU necessary with MSI's flashback function. Stock 3600x cooler is junk. No copper core, just extruded aluminum like a stock Intel cooler. I installed a CM 212 EVO and took a pic for reference.

 

 

 

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Ryzen 3600X, MSI B450-A Pro, 32Ghz Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000mhz, Watercooled MSI GTX 1080 Armor,

Seasonic SSR-550rm, Samsung EVO 860 EVO SSD M.2, Rosewill Stryker M

 

Xeon X5680, X58 Sabertooth, 24GB KLEVV 1600Mhz , Windforce GTX 960 4GB OC, Corsair CX550M 

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2 hours ago, Myk3_Fury said:

So did you need a 2nd gen cpu to do the bios upgrade for 3rd gen cpu's? Is the Wraith-Spire good enough for cooling?

depends on the board. If it doesnt have out-of-the-box compatibility nor BIOS flashback feature, you'll need a 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen CPU to do the BIOS update. AMD hands out Athlon 200GE for those upgrading to 3rd gen FYI.

 

Benching Spire with stealth and prism:

 

the CPU is different, but you can compare the temperature difference. the 3600 under the stealth runs at 80C stock with 3200MHz CL14 memory, so Spire should max out at about 70-75C.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 hours ago, Myk3_Fury said:

18.00 dollar difference on Amazon. Worth it?

I would just reiterate that the 3600X should never be considered unless it's at the exact same price as the 3600 or in a bundle with mobo that you're interested and the price of the bundle makes the 3600X same or cheaper than 3600. As far as I'm concerned the 3600X and 3800X are incredibly odd CPUs alongside their 3600 and 3700X brethren and should probably not be a thing. 


Ryzen build -  CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X Cooler: Corsair H115i Platinum RGB | GPU: RTX 2070 FE | RAM: 2x8GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB DDR4-3200MHz | PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 750W | Motherboard: MSI X570 MEG Ace | Storage: Samsung 970 EVO 500 GB - Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 RPM | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic

 

Intel build - CPU: i5-9600k @ 4.9 GHz - 1.28v Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 rev 2 | GPU: GTX 980 Ti FE | RAM: 2x8GB Corsair Vengeace LPX DDR4-3200MHz | PSU: Corsair RM650x  | Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra | Storage: Crucial MX500 500GB - Western Digital Blue 1TB 5400RPM | Case: NZXT H700 Black

 

Laptop - HP Pavillion; CPU: Core i5-7200U RAM: 8GB DDR4-2133MHz | GPU: Intel HD 620 | Storage: Samsung 128GB SSD - Western Digital 1TB HDD

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