Ryzen 5 3600X: X470 vs X570 pros/cons?

[Myk3_Fury]

X470 vs X570 pros/cons?

 

MSI Performance Gaming AMD X470 Ryzen 2 AM4 DDR4 Onboard Graphics SLI ATX Motherboard (X470 Gaming PRO Carbon)

 

vs.

ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) ATX

[Jurrunio]

X470

Pros: More features than X570, cheaper, good enough power delivery

Cons: No out of the box compatibility with 3rd gen, not all can flash bios without compatible CPU (regarding the older bios) to support new CPUs (including the X470 Carbon)

 

X570

Pros: PCIe 4, if you're rich enough to justify spending extra on PCIe 4 SSD rather than something else. Out of the box compatiblity with 3rd gen, overkill power delivery

Cons: So expensive, they only make sense because they have these pros. Otherwise they get beaten by X470, even B450 boards

 

Also dont get the 3600X unless the 3600 is equally priced. Their performance difference is miniscule compared to the usual price difference of $50.

[GoldenLag]

If you can push to a 300$ board on x570 its worth it.

 

At at 250$ board at x570 its its a bit "meh". 

 

 

Taichi x570 is a really good board atm. 

[vanished]

From what I've seen x570 boards are all high end and priced to match, making them a not very logical pairing with anything under the 3900X imo.  Maybe we'll see cheaper 5** series boards come out at some point (I would really expect and hope so) but for the time being it seems like AMD expects people to just buy last gen unless they want the top of the line.

 

Also I second the notion that the 3600x doesn't make much sense unless a sale makes it cost the same as a 3600.  Price jump is not worth the small performance bump.  In fact the "bump" is so small you'd be forgiven for claiming it doesn't even exist

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/4041vs4040

[Myk3_Fury]

Just an FYI I'm going with a 3600X or 3600 depending on price comparison to each other.

[Myk3_Fury]

11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Also dont get the 3600X unless the 3600 is equally priced. Their performance difference is miniscule compared to the usual price difference of $50.

18.00 dollar difference on Amazon. Worth it?

[asand1]

Just assembled my 3600x and MSI B450A Pro. With 36Gb of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 and a Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA M.2. After flashing the BIOS with the flashback button it booted right away.

 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Myk3_Fury said:

18.00 dollar difference on Amazon. Worth it?

If you dont have your own cooler already, then  wraith spire + minor clock increase is reasonable for $18. I myself still wont pay for that extra.

[Myk3_Fury]

9 minutes ago, asand1 said:

Just assembled my 3600x and MSI B450A Pro. With 36Gb of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 and a Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB SATA M.2. After flashing the BIOS with the flashback button it booted right away.

 

So did you need a 2nd gen cpu to do the bios upgrade for 3rd gen cpu's? Is the Wraith-Spire good enough for cooling?

[asand1]

No CPU necessary with MSI's flashback function. Stock 3600x cooler is junk. No copper core, just extruded aluminum like a stock Intel cooler. I installed a CM 212 EVO and took a pic for reference.

 

 

 

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, Myk3_Fury said:

So did you need a 2nd gen cpu to do the bios upgrade for 3rd gen cpu's? Is the Wraith-Spire good enough for cooling?

depends on the board. If it doesnt have out-of-the-box compatibility nor BIOS flashback feature, you'll need a 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen CPU to do the BIOS update. AMD hands out Athlon 200GE for those upgrading to 3rd gen FYI.

 

Benching Spire with stealth and prism:

 

the CPU is different, but you can compare the temperature difference. the 3600 under the stealth runs at 80C stock with 3200MHz CL14 memory, so Spire should max out at about 70-75C.

[AvogadrosDog]

4 hours ago, Myk3_Fury said:

18.00 dollar difference on Amazon. Worth it?

I would just reiterate that the 3600X should never be considered unless it's at the exact same price as the 3600 or in a bundle with mobo that you're interested and the price of the bundle makes the 3600X same or cheaper than 3600. As far as I'm concerned the 3600X and 3800X are incredibly odd CPUs alongside their 3600 and 3700X brethren and should probably not be a thing.