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Motherboard for 3700x

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11 minutes ago, oskvr said:

Right i see, well i am currently now leaning a bit more towards the x470 side. I have updated my post with the current x470 boards that i am looking at. Would appreciate it if you could take a look and give me an opinion. Prices are very similar to the x570 however i assume that the x470 will just be more stable in general. In terms of overclocking ram speeds ect. Realistically i don't think i will upgrade my RAM even in the future since it seems like a waste of money and not worth the performance increase.

Again, someone a bit more in tune with Ryzen is going to be more help here than I. I know surface level things about Ryzen and their chipsets, enough to be dangerous, but not enough to provide substantiated suggestion.

From the ones you have listed, you know my thoughts on Asus.
The Aorus Gaming 7 is, I believe, a fairly well regarded board. My tentative pick from the list is going to go to the Gaming 7.


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20 minutes ago, oskvr said:

I see thank you for your input i appreciate it. Out of the x470 range, which make would you suggest such as MSI/ASUS/AORUS ect. Could be from personal experience i don't mind i just like to see other people's views on this. :) 

1. Hardware physically present on the board. No amount of "fix" can make a board do things it simply doesnt have the hardware to do. For this reason, the pitiful VRM heatsink has kicked out the Asus Prime X470-Pro (overheats and shuts down by a 2700x when overclocked at about 120C) while cheap crappy mosfets kicked out the Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming and Gaming 5 on X470 (same mosfets and number of mosfets on their low end A320, B350 and B450 boards).

 

2. Software. This is more of a track record thing as usually the entire lineup with the same chipset suck at the same time. This pulled out Asrock, known for their less than ideal BIOS (though not a deal breaker yet). At this point I should also ask about Asrock Taichi prices for you. Taichi's advantage is large feature set and better debug capability (post code display instead of 4 LEDs), but memory overclocking in particular is not as impressive and there's no BIOS flashback. Not like you need BIOS flashback this time but still.

 

Things that I dont consider:

Customer service: No one that makes AM4 boards stand out. They still try their best to deny RMA requests, neither do two-way shipping for replacements (you send your board back while they send their board to you at the same time, instead they only send once they receive). On Intel at least you have EVGA making boards, but not on AMD.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1. Hardware physically present on the board. No amount of "fix" can make a board do things it simply doesnt have the hardware to do. For this reason, the pitiful VRM heatsink has kicked out the Asus Prime X470-Pro (overheats and shuts down by a 2700x when overclocked at about 120C) while cheap crappy mosfets kicked out the Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming and Gaming 5 on X470 (same mosfets and number of mosfets on their low end A320, B350 and B450 boards).

 

2. Software. This is more of a track record thing as usually the entire lineup with the same chipset suck at the same time. This pulled out Asrock, known for their less than ideal BIOS (though not a deal breaker yet). At this point I should also ask about Asrock Taichi prices for you. Taichi's advantage is large feature set and better debug capability (post code display instead of 4 LEDs), but memory overclocking in particular is not as impressive and there's no BIOS flashback. Not like you need BIOS flashback this time but still.

 

Things that I dont consider:

Customer service: No one that makes AM4 boards stand out. They still try their best to deny RMA requests, neither do two-way shipping for replacements (you send your board back while they send their board to you at the same time, instead they only send once they receive). On Intel at least you have EVGA making boards, but not on AMD.

Thank you for this information , so currently the ROG one seems to be left without complaints. I will do some further research and decide from there.

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50 minutes ago, oskvr said:

Thank you for this information , so currently the ROG one seems to be left without complaints. I will do some further research and decide from there.

Oh I do have complaints with Asus. They broke PBO on 2nd gen Ryzen multiple times so not spotless on reliability (haven't heard of problems on 3rd gen yet) and low number of USB ports in the rear I/O for a board this high in the product stack.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Oh I do have complaints with Asus. They broke PBO on 2nd gen Ryzen multiple times so not spotless on reliability (haven't heard of problems on 3rd gen yet) and low number of USB ports in the rear I/O for a board this high in the product stack.

Right i see, what would you personally recommended board(s) be for the x470 then?

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1 minute ago, oskvr said:

Right i see, what would you personally recommended board(s) be for the x470 then?

Asrock Taichi, Asus Strix, MSI Carbon and Gigabyte Gaming 7, whichever's at a lower price. If even better boards got price cuts to similar levels I'd consider them as well, namely Asus Crosshair VII and MSI M7. You can add brand bias here as you like.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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If you are looking at £150+ boards then you might as well go X570 (Gigabyte X570 Gaming X). Otherwise something like an MSI B450 board (Tomahawk/Gaming Pro Carbon etc) would be a cheaper option.


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