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Posted · Original PosterOP

Does the ASUS GTX 770 DirectCU II OC will be bottleneck by my system ? I have only 4 gb of ram, I5 750 and 650w PSU
Is it a good deal for 80$ canadian brand new ?

 

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6 hours ago, Jean Le Baptiste said:

Does the ASUS GTX 770 DirectCU II OC will be bottleneck by my system ? I have only 4 gb of ram, I5 750 and 650w PSU
Is it a good deal for 80$ canadian brand new ?

 

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Yes, your CPU will bottleneck with a 770 by quite a bit. Think 750 or 750 TI the most for that Nvidia generation as a guide.

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49 minutes ago, Polargirl said:

Yes, your CPU will bottleneck with a 770 by quite a bit. Think 750 or 750 TI the most for that Nvidia generation as a guide.

Thank you, I just found out that video: Will an i5 750 Bottleneck a GTX 1080? - 1080p, 1440p, 4K Benchmarks

The guy tested the I5 750 with a friggin GTX 1080. The card will bottleneck but it won't be that bad if the cpu is overclock to 3.7 ghz. I think I'm gonna buy it but I definitely need 8 gb of ram. What you think ?

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22 minutes ago, Jean Le Baptiste said:

Thank you, I just found out that video: Will an i5 750 Bottleneck a GTX 1080? - 1080p, 1440p, 4K Benchmarks

The guy tested the I5 750 with a friggin GTX 1080. The card will bottleneck but it won't be that bad if the cpu is overclock to 3.7 ghz. I think I'm gonna buy it but I definitely need 8 gb of ram. What you think ?

3.7 is quite the overclock for a processor that has a base speed of 2.66 and a 3.2 turbo. If that speed cannot only be achieved but maintained for many non-stop hours of gaming, then you have a processor that is as good as or even slightly better than the I3-8100 and you can get a 1050 TI with that. Of course that is a really huge if, especially on sustaining that speed for hours rather than just tricked out for seconds to make a video. I'd make sure you know what your CPU can sustain on constant OC before buying a GPU.

 

You will absolutely need 8 GB of RAM just for so so gaming performance regardless of how well your CPU OCs and what GPU you buy as a consequence. Heck, 4GB is good for doing any basic task on Win 10 but not doing many of them at once like watching a 1080P streaming video with many other tabs open and a memory consuming program running in the background. In other words, 8GB is reccomended just to give yourself comfortable breathing room for even non-gaming tasks. 16GB is what most heavy gamers have but that is a bit much even for an actual I3-8100 paired with a 1050 TI.

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2 hours ago, Polargirl said:

3.7 is quite the overclock for a processor that has a base speed of 2.66 and a 3.2 turbo. If that speed cannot only be achieved but maintained for many non-stop hours of gaming, then you have a processor that is as good as or even slightly better than the I3-8100 and you can get a 1050 TI with that.

i5-750 at 3.7 Ghz is not even close to being the same as 8100 that has 3600 Mhz all core clock and significantly higher IPC


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25 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

i5-750 at 3.7 Ghz is not even close to being the same as 8100 that has 3600 Mhz all core clock and significantly higher IPC

I thought 3.6 on a single core. First I have known about a recent Ix-xx00 chip that has the same single and all core max speed. TIL. 

 

Unless that 3.7 overclock is on all cores somehow, then I did overstate it.

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3 minutes ago, Polargirl said:

I thought 3.6 on a single core. First I have known about a recent Ix-xx00 chip that has the same single and all core max speed. TIL. 

 

Unless that 3.7 overclock is on all cores somehow, then I did overstate it.

Base clock is all-core speed. Boost clock usually applies to a single core, but 8100 does not have boost clock.


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7 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Base clock is all-core speed. Boost clock usually applies to a single core, but 8100 does not have boost clock.

My I5-8400 has a 2.8 base speed, single core 4.0 turbo, and all core 3.8 turbo.

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8 hours ago, Polargirl said:

My I5-8400 has a 2.8 base speed, single core 4.0 turbo, and all core 3.8 turbo.

Thank you for your advices. I'm looking for ram right now.

 

My hyperx 1600 are limited to 1333 in the bios. When I enable XMP I get "the system has experienced boot issues because of overclocking or changes of voltages" in the BIOS. I guess it's because my mobo is rated for 1.5v and my ram 1.65v ?

 

Wich one should I get ? They are selling for about 30-35$ can, used

 

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Advices for cpu overclock. I'm new to cpu overclock. To get to 3,6 ghz I changed these values. Base Clock Control from Disabled to Enabled. BCLK Frequency from 133 to 170. Intel Turbo Boost from Auto to Disabled. CPU EIST from Auto to Enabled. It'seem fine right now , I will need to stress test it to make sure it will not crash. Is there anything else I need to know about cpu overclock ?

Thank you

 

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12 hours ago, Jean Le Baptiste said:

Thank you for your advices. I'm looking for ram right now.

 

My hyperx 1600 are limited to 1333 in the bios. When I enable XMP I get "the system has experienced boot issues because of overclocking or changes of voltages" in the BIOS. I guess it's because my mobo is rated for 1.5v and my ram 1.65v ?

 

Wich one should I get ? They are selling for about 30-35$ can, used

 

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) 
https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820231314

 

Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB Single DDR3 1333 MT/s (PC3-10600) CL9 @1.5V 
https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-10600-240-Pin-BLS4G3D1339DS1S00/dp/B007MCQ800?th=1

 

G.Skill XL Series RipJaws X Series 8 Go (kit 2x 4 Go) DDR3 1600 MHz
https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00109903.html

 

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
https://www.newegg.ca/corsair-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820145345

 

Advices for cpu overclock. I'm new to cpu overclock. To get to 3,6 ghz I changed these values. Base Clock Control from Disabled to Enabled. BCLK Frequency from 133 to 170. Intel Turbo Boost from Auto to Disabled. CPU EIST from Auto to Enabled. It'seem fine right now , I will need to stress test it to make sure it will not crash. Is there anything else I need to know about cpu overclock ?

Thank you

 

I am surprised 1.65 volt RAM works in a 1.5 rated motherboard.

 

Your motherboard can support DDR3 RAM all the way up to 2200 MHz so I would say none of the above on memory. I would buy 1.5V, DDR3, 2133 MHz memory. G.skill with their Ares and Ripjaws lines are the only I see from a quick search that meets all 3 specs and a bit pricier than DDR4 2133 MHz. Enough to consider another motherboard.

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1 minute ago, Polargirl said:

I am surprised 1.65 volt RAM works in a 1.5 rated motherboard.

 

Your motherboard can support DDR3 RAM all the way up to 2200 kHz so I would say none of the above on memory. I would buy 1.5V, DDR3, 2133 MHz memory. G.skill with their Ares and Ripjaws lines are the only I see from a quick search that meets all 3 specs and a bit pricier than DDR4 2133 MHz. Enough to consider another motherboard. Maybe far cheaper elsewhere.

 

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1 hour ago, Jean Le Baptiste said:

Thank you again for your suggestions. I am going to accumulate some money to buy a new system next year instead. 

Good long term idea but I might have good news for you in the meantime.

 

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Get a good video card now so you can upgrade mobo cpu and ram in future and keep your card.  Go with a 1050Ti or even a 1060 6GB.  It will bottleneck but in the future when you upgarde those 3 parts I told you, the video card will give you even more frame rate and what not.


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38 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Get a good video card now so you can upgrade mobo cpu and ram in future and keep your card.  Go with a 1050Ti or even a 1060 6GB.  It will bottleneck but in the future when you upgarde those 3 parts I told you, the video card will give you even more frame rate and what not.

With graphics cards being what they are in price and neither the 1060 and especially the 1050 Ti being great future proofing investments, I'd just save and buy a system in the future with a graphics card I like and can afford rather than be forced to buy a computer to fit that overpriced at the time graphics card to fit a computer well into the future.

 

The 1060 (6GB at least) is a decent, for the next couple of years, card for 1080P, 60 is, on ultra gaming card. Not a great long term investment. 1050 TI is even worse with used ones often costing as much as a 1060 used. That is something only to get if it is as much as your CPU or PSU for 75 watt card can handle and you find it at a good price.

 

With ray tracing in its infancy, now is an historically worst time to future proof GPUs. Not a particularly good time to buy one for immediate needs either but at least the market has improved for that somewhat from a recent, historically, bad market thanks to bitcoin mining collapse.

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1 minute ago, Polargirl said:

With graphics cards being what they are in price and neither the 1060 and especially the 1050 Ti being great future proofing investments, I'd just save and buy a system in the future with a graphics card I like and can afford rather than be forced to buy a computer to fit that overpriced at the time graphics card to fit a computer well into the future.

 

The 1060 (6GB at least) is a decent, for the next couple of years, card for 1080P, 60 is, on ultra gaming card. Not a great long term investment. 1050 TI is even worse with used ones often costing as much as a 1060 used. That is something only to get if it is as much as your CPU or PSU for 75 watt card can handle and you find it at a good price.

 

With ray tracing in its infancy, now is an historically worst time to future proof GPUs. Not a particularly good time to buy one for immediate needs either but at least the market has improved for that somewhat from a recent, historically, bad market thanks to bitcoin mining collapse.

At the end of the day if he is happy with sustained 60fps 1080p high settings. nvpanel default or some AA turned on then hes good to go.


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30 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

At the end of the day if he is happy with sustained 60fps 1080p high settings. nvpanel default or some AA turned on then hes good to go.

Absolutely. He just needs a CPU and RAM to keep up is all. It will take at least a 1650 card for that in a majority of recent AAA games. For far less demanding games and even many older AAA, a 770 should do that.

 

Hopefully, he can get a good, sustainable OC on his CPU and buys that memory I linked to.

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