Upgrade to ryzen 3700x

[Almond]

Hey everyone,

I just ordered ryzen 7 3700x with corsair vengeance 3600mhz ram, to upgrade my old rig. I also got a new psu to replace my old one. The one thing I'm struggling with is a new motherboard that will support the speed of the ram. Do I have to spend big bank on a mobo or are there good cheap options out there. I could care less about PCIe 4.0 so the x570 is not of most importance to me. Cheers for your help peeps in advance. 

 

[Jurrunio]

3600MHz should be easy to run on boards that don't suck, and that includes older B450 and X470 boards as well. 3700X draws less power than 2700X, so just something like an MSI B450M Mortar or ATX Tomahawk will do. These two (and a few others) have BIOS flashback which means they can update to 3rd gen ready BIOS without the need of a working older CPU. Big advantage for them.

[trevb0t]

17 minutes ago, Almond said:

Hey everyone,

I just ordered ryzen 7 3700x with corsair vengeance 3600mhz ram, to upgrade my old rig. I also got a new psu to replace my old one. The one thing I'm struggling with is a new motherboard that will support the speed of the ram. Do I have to spend big bank on a mobo or are there good cheap options out there. I could care less about PCIe 4.0 so the x570 is not of most importance to me. Cheers for your help peeps in advance. 

The X570 boards natively support up to 3200mhz RAM, and recommends a 3766mhz.

 

B450/X470 natively supports up to 2666mhz, and considers 2933+ overclocked. It CAN support 3600mhz I'm sure, though I'm not sure that you'll actually be getting that level of performance out of them. It's hard to say. We always recommend 3000-3200 for the 2000 series, which is also considered overclocked. 

 

There are some X570 boards that aren't $300 fortunately, it's just hard to say exactly how good they are in quality. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q4Dkcf/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-x570-gaming-plus

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LJxbt6/gigabyte-x570-gaming-x-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-gaming-x

 

If you've got a decent B450/X470 board, try it out, and see what happens.

[Streetguru]

17 minutes ago, Almond said:

Hey everyone,

I just ordered ryzen 7 3700x with corsair vengeance 3600mhz ram, to upgrade my old rig. I also got a new psu to replace my old one. The one thing I'm struggling with is a new motherboard that will support the speed of the ram. Do I have to spend big bank on a mobo or are there good cheap options out there. I could care less about PCIe 4.0 so the x570 is not of most importance to me. Cheers for your help peeps in advance. 

 

It's going to be better to have X570 in general, but the cheapest one should be fine

 

 

[Almond]

1 hour ago, trevb0t said:

The X570 boards natively support up to 3200mhz RAM, and recommends a 3766mhz.

 

B450/X470 natively supports up to 2666mhz, and considers 2933+ overclocked. It CAN support 3600mhz I'm sure, though I'm not sure that you'll actually be getting that level of performance out of them. It's hard to say. We always recommend 3000-3200 for the 2000 series, which is also considered overclocked. 

 

There are some X570 boards that aren't $300 fortunately, it's just hard to say exactly how good they are in quality. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q4Dkcf/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-x570-gaming-plus

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LJxbt6/gigabyte-x570-gaming-x-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-gaming-x

 

If you've got a decent B450/X470 board, try it out, and see what happens.

So to be safe you'd recommend the cheapest x570 boards? 

[Almond]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

3600MHz should be easy to run on boards that don't suck, and that includes older B450 and X470 boards as well. 3700X draws less power than 2700X, so just something like an MSI B450M Mortar or ATX Tomahawk will do. These two (and a few others) have BIOS flashback which means they can update to 3rd gen ready BIOS without the need of a working older CPU. Big advantage for them.

With the x470 I should specify that my max budget is £180, maybe getting a really good board like the Asus strix x470 f would be a good choice 

 

[Almond]

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

It's going to be better to have X570 in general, but the cheapest one should be fine

 

 

So cheapest x570? 

 

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, trevb0t said:

B450/X470 natively supports up to 2666mhz, and considers 2933+ overclocked. It CAN support 3600mhz I'm sure, though I'm not sure that you'll actually be getting that level of performance out of them. It's hard to say. We always recommend 3000-3200 for the 2000 series, which is also considered overclocked. 

limit of older boards at the time is because there aren't better memory controllers to test them with. The layout isn't a problem as eventually people get 3600 to work on Zen+

 

8 minutes ago, Almond said:

With the x470 I should specify that my max budget is £180, maybe getting a really good board like the Asus strix x470 f would be a good choice 

 

Yep. Competition is fierce from the MSI X470 Carbon and Asrock Taichi though. Carbon does the same thing as the Strix but has BIOS flashback so you can get the BIOS ready for 3rd gen without an older CPU to handle the update, while Taichi trades more connectivity and debug features (post code instead of debug LEDs) with RGB lights and less reliable BIOS

 

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cheapest x570

will be worse than X470 options I can assure you.

[trevb0t]

20 minutes ago, Almond said:

So cheapest x570? 

 

Nah, I mean there are X470s out there that aren't worth having. Don't wanna pay $130 on garbage.

[Coopson]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

will be worse than X470 options I can assure you.

Noob question in what way would they be worse ? a ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 is the same price as a MSI X470 Carbon here in the UK.

 

I'm in the same position as OP don't care about pcie 4 and was going to go with 3600mhz ram was looking for something with a reasonable price that will get a good Overclock/auto boost I'm coming from intel tho so don't have a older AMD cpu so any mobo I got would need to be flash-able without a CPU or have native support.

 

Was looking at the b450 Tomahawk but seen alot of post from people saying the beta bios is acting up and they cant get it to flash without a CPU also unsure if the tomahawk can do 3600mhz

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, Coopson said:

Noob question in what way would they be worse ? a ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 is the same price as a MSI X470 Carbon here in the UK.

Sadly don't know what the X570 Phantom 4 is made of just yet. UK.PCPP seems to disagree with that as X570 Phantom 4 costing nearly 20 quid more than the X470 Carbon.

 

Let's compare MSI X570-A Pro to the X470 Carbon instead, same brand means similar VRM components so the hard-to-understand stuff gone. Here the older Carbon has 25% higher current delivering capability as it has 10 sets of the same mosfets but X570-A Pro only has 8 sets. More is better when they are the same stuff.

 

As for other things like features, you could just go check the official site. They list them out pretty clearly.

 

3 hours ago, Coopson said:

Was looking at the b450 Tomahawk but seen alot of post from people saying the beta bios is acting up and they cant get it to flash without a CPU also unsure if the tomahawk can do 3600mhz

AMD and reliable launch software never mix, an unfortunate thing that you're always waiting for bug fixes to progress enough that it doesn't bug out all the time. That said I dont think it will get so bad that even BIOS flashback breaks...

 

Tomahawk doesn't have anything so bad that suggests it can't do 3600MHz, put it this way. Supposedly older boards that aren't the really cheap ones are all held back by the CPU's memory controller.

[Almond]

19 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

limit of older boards at the time is because there aren't better memory controllers to test them with. The layout isn't a problem as eventually people get 3600 to work on Zen+

 

Yep. Competition is fierce from the MSI X470 Carbon and Asrock Taichi though. Carbon does the same thing as the Strix but has BIOS flashback so you can get the BIOS ready for 3rd gen without an older CPU to handle the update, while Taichi trades more connectivity and debug features (post code instead of debug LEDs) with RGB lights and less reliable BIOS

 

will be worse than X470 options I can assure you.

So I guess 2 options are break bank on x570 or get a decent x470 that you can flash with bios update. Coming from Intel and upgrading is making this a hard decision for me and makes me worry about possible negative outcomes. I'd like to have something that just works and not too much fiddling around with. 

[Jurrunio]

29 minutes ago, Almond said:

So I guess 2 options are break bank on x570 or get a decent x470 that you can flash with bios update. Coming from Intel and upgrading is making this a hard decision for me and makes me worry about possible negative outcomes. I'd like to have something that just works and not too much fiddling around with. 

It's always the case of more work versus more expense, I guess that's how they justify higher price tags.

[Almond]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

It's always the case of more work versus more expense, I guess that's how they justify higher price tags.

So I guess you'd suggest getting the x470 carbon? Or is there a better option? I have £180 to spend. 

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Almond said:

So I guess you'd suggest getting the x470 carbon? Or is there a better option? I have £180 to spend. 

Yes, X470 carbon is my current recommendation. My next choice, the Asus X470 Crosshair VII Hero, cost 220 pounds

[Coopson]

I'm getting mixed messages online about the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon having bios flash-back we sure it has it ?

[trevb0t]

17 minutes ago, Coopson said:

I'm getting mixed messages online about the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon having bios flash-back we sure it has it ?

All 400 series MSI boards do is my understanding. I could be wrong, though.

[Jurrunio]

16 minutes ago, Coopson said:

I'm getting mixed messages online about the MSI X470 Gaming Pro Carbon having bios flash-back we sure it has it ?

MSI prioritizes BIOS flashback over clear CMOS on the rear I/O, so if you see a single little round button in the rear I/O of an MSI board it will be BIOS flashback.

[Coopson]

Again I might be wrong here but I'm seeing people say the b450 Gaming Pro Carbon has flashback but not the x470

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, Coopson said:

Again I might be wrong here but I'm seeing people say the b450 Gaming Pro Carbon has flashback but not the x470

Yeah the X470 version doesn't have that feature.

[Almond]

3 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Yeah the X470 version doesn't have that feature.

So the question is what board do I get, I need to run 3600mhz and I need flashback as I don't have a spare amd cpu. 

 

[Almond]

6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes, X470 carbon is my current recommendation. My next choice, the Asus X470 Crosshair VII Hero, cost 220 pounds

Does the x470 have the flashback, I don't have a spare amd cpu to run the bios update. I'm starting to lean towards the x570 because it's starting to become a hastle . Also I need to order my board today as it has to come tomorrow. 

[Coopson]

1 minute ago, Almond said:

So the question is what board do I get, I need to run 3600mhz and I need flashback as I don't have a spare amd cpu. 

 

I don't know about you but I decided to get 3200mhz c14 with a b450 Tomahawk  3700x.

 

1 minute ago, Almond said:

Does the x470 have the flashback, I don't have a spare amd cpu to run the bios update. I'm starting to lean towards the x570 because it's starting to become a hastle . Also I need to order my board today as it has to come tomorrow. 

I Don't think it does the b450 carbon has the flashback and it seems they removed it for the x470 carbon, the B450 carbon might still be worth a look tho its cheaper too.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Almond said:

Does the x470 have the flashback, I don't have a spare amd cpu to run the bios update. I'm starting to lean towards the x570 because it's starting to become a hastle . Also I need to order my board today as it has to come tomorrow. 

The MSI B450 Tomahawk and B450 Gaming Pro Carbon both have bios flashback if you don't want to spend £180. Either will cope fine with a 3700X.

[Almond]

12 minutes ago, Coopson said:

I don't know about you but I decided to get 3200mhz c14 with a b450 Tomahawk  3700x.

 

I Don't think it does the b450 carbon has the flashback and it seems they removed it for the x470 carbon, the B450 carbon might still be worth a look tho its cheaper too.

Well I bought everything besides the motherboard, got the 3600mhz cl16 just need to pair it now with something that will run it.