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Ok Google, eavesdrop on me. Google employees listening to Google Home recordings

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11 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Then you should talk to the idiot who installed switched anywhere but next to doors and bed...

You can't ensure that every light switch is perfectly placed, you know that, right?  And that you probably won't have every light in a given room linked to a switch?  There's these radical things called desk lamps and coffee table lamps, you ought to check them out.

 

Look, it's pretty obvious that you're trying to act like an expert on the subject without any actual experience.  I have smart lights; I find them extremely handy.  If you really want to make pronouncements on whether or not they're useful, go grab a Hue kit and a smart speaker and let me know what you think after you've used them for a while.

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46 minutes ago, Commodus said:

You can't ensure that every light switch is perfectly placed, you know that, right?  And that you probably won't have every light in a given room linked to a switch?  There's these radical things called desk lamps and coffee table lamps, you ought to check them out.

 

Look, it's pretty obvious that you're trying to act like an expert on the subject without any actual experience.  I have smart lights; I find them extremely handy.  If you really want to make pronouncements on whether or not they're useful, go grab a Hue kit and a smart speaker and let me know what you think after you've used them for a while.

I'm not acting like an "expert". It's a light switch. How much of an expert you need to be to flip one from OFF to ON ? LOL Like I said, the usefulness doesn't outweight data hoarding done by mega corporations because you need to have their shit in your home. It just doesn't.

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1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

I'm not acting like an "expert". It's a light switch. How much of an expert you need to be to flip one from OFF to ON ? LOL Like I said, the usefulness doesn't outweight data hoarding done by mega corporations because you need to have their shit in your home. It just doesn't.

Data hoarding is a separate argument, though, and not really what we were discussing in this mini-thread.

 

I'm comfortable with what Google and Amazon are collecting, in part because I know how limited the gathering actually is.  There's an irrational panic of sorts around smart speakers because many people tend to exaggerate how much they're actually gathering.  "OMG it's recording everything you do, and Google/Amazon employees are laughing at you!"  Er, no.  The truth is somewhere between that paranoid fantasy and the ardent apologists.

 

If you don't feel comfortable sharing what actually does go to the tech company, that's fine.  But it's a distortion to claim that these are just data mining devices.

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4 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Data hoarding is a separate argument, though, and not really what we were discussing in this mini-thread.

 

I'm comfortable with what Google and Amazon are collecting, in part because I know how limited the gathering actually is.  There's an irrational panic of sorts around smart speakers because many people tend to exaggerate how much they're actually gathering.  "OMG it's recording everything you do, and Google/Amazon employees are laughing at you!"  Er, no.  The truth is somewhere between that paranoid fantasy and the ardent apologists.

 

If you don't feel comfortable sharing what actually does go to the tech company, that's fine.  But it's a distortion to claim that these are just data mining devices.

but this news IS about google listening to everything you say, without "ok google" trigger, they have voice clip including couple fighting, not to mention the alexa case

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/did-alexa-hear-a-murder-we-may-finally-find-out/

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1 hour ago, appleache said:

but this news IS about google listening to everything you say, without "ok google" trigger, they have voice clip including couple fighting, not to mention the alexa case

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/did-alexa-hear-a-murder-we-may-finally-find-out/

I'm aware of that case and what's mentioned in Google, and you're just proving my point -- people are operating on bad understandings of what these devices are actually doing.

 

In the murder case you cited, police and prosecutors were simply hoping that the Echo speaker was always recording info.  And guess what?  Prosecutors dropped the case because their case, which hinged on that speaker data, didn't have enough evidence.

 

Also, I have to laugh at the Google claim, because it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how Assistant works.  Yeah, no shit it doesn't include "OK Google," because it doesn't start recording until after you've said the hotwords.  And if it misinterprets what you say as matching the hotwords (which definitely happens), it's going to capture audio clips by accident.  There's a big difference between "you said something that sounded like hey/OK Google" and intentionally recording non-commands.

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2 hours ago, Commodus said:

I have smart lights; I find them extremely handy.  If you really want to make pronouncements on whether or not they're useful, go grab a Hue kit and a smart speaker and let me know what you think after you've used them for a while.

I love my Hue lights. Some examples of what I use them for:

  • I have a very difficult time waking up in the morning, and often sleep through alarms. I have a lamp right next to my bed that basically shines right into my face which turns on when my alarm goes off in the morning. This paired with a sonos speaker on my dresser has basically eliminated the problem I used to have of oversleeping for classes.
  • I have to leave my apartment in a quick hurry rather often. There's few things more satisfying than watching all of the lights in my apartment turn off as I pull out of my driveway. Same goes for coming back home. It is also pretty impressive to any guests that are with me.
  • Parties.
  • Automated night lights

I should note that I don't have a smart speaker, but I do have google assistant on my s8+ which I guess some could argue is the same thing.

 

If any of you aren't smart-home paranoid like some of the people in this thread, I highly recommend sonos as well. Their products are great for ambient noise and parties.


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