1-2 Switch Switch - Nintendo Releases reasonably priced Nintendo Switch Lite

[Nowak]

Just now, kaiju_wars said:

Eh, for not much more you can get the full switch.  I’d honestly say hard pass on the Lite

idk I think my sister would prefer a dedicated handheld. There definitely is a market for the Lite.

[Donki Knog]

I think that it's clearly designed for those people who only wants a handheld console but, actually Switch is already a handheld.

For me, the biggest problwm with this Lite is the screen, some games like Monster Hunter and probably (I hadn't bought it yet) Dark Souls should be a bit "hard" (I don't find the word i'm looking for xD) to play.

 

 

[Guest]

Biggest downfall is that is so much less and it’s only $100 cheaper. No real savings in value.

[suicidalfranco]

2 hours ago, Donki Knog said:

I think that it's clearly designed for those people who only wants a handheld console but, actually Switch is already a handheld.

For me, the biggest problwm with this Lite is the screen, some games like Monster Hunter and probably (I hadn't bought it yet) Dark Souls should be a bit "hard" (I don't find the word i'm looking for xD) to play.

 

 

Maybe unpleasant is what your are looking for

[ZXR]

Basically to me it seems like a fine device for a lot of people, but the pricing is wayyyyy off in the UK. You can get a OG Switch in near brand new condition for the same price. And price is kinda the only advantage of the switch lite, i dont really see why anyone would buy it if it was more expensive (which it kinda is in the UK if you look on ebay/etc) than the OG switch.

[jiyeon]

On 7/10/2019 at 1:35 PM, rcmaehl said:

Nintendo has announced the Nintendo Switch lite at only $199. A full 1/3 off the base model price. 

Hey not bad, it'll make for a nice birthday/Christmas present if anybody I know wants a Switch but doesn't need the joycon modularity.

[jdubya421]

22 hours ago, Brainless906 said:

Jesus christ, my man who pissed in your Wheaties?

That guy gets into every thread and shits on whatever the thread is about.

[jdubya421]

14 hours ago, Drak3 said:

That means that there is a design flaw and third party companies are trying to fix it because Nintendo won't.

 

The common user shouldn't have to fix bad design. Especially for a "kid's console."

If it came with a different controller you would be ITT complaining about it too. I have no issues with the ergonomics of the Joycons. I would argue that hundred of thousands of people don't and that a similar amount do. The company can't produce something that everybody likes, stop acting like they could. 

 

They allow third party controller support and that is all we can ask for. How is it bad that you have the option to use a different controller? Just because some people find the stock controller un-ergonomic doesn't just make it bad.

[maartendc]

I will buy this. Don't have a switch yet, and was looking for a cheaper option. There were never any pricedrops or good deals to be found.

 

I would have used the switch exclusively handheld most likely anyway, so this is perfect for me.

[HarryNyquist]

I slept on this thread, and now I'm conflicted.

 

My 3DS is gathering dust on a shelf because I'm always playing consoles or PC games. I never really want to come home, sit down, crane my neck over, and play a handheld game. Clearly I'm not the audience for this.

 

On the other hand, though, if this means they release a TV-only switch...

[Reytime]

I'm interested (I was not so much before). I wonder what the screen/graphical quality is like at 720p?

[JB780]

On 7/10/2019 at 6:55 AM, Drak3 said:

And?

 

Again, and?

 

The Switch itself is an inferior offering as a home console, physical design is worse than a stock Vita. Nintendo made too many compromises, and the only up side to this piece of shit is that it's portable.

Who hurt you?

Was it Bowser?

[Suika]

God I really hope they don't do some super cool designs like they did with the 3DS, because I have no reason to own two Nintendo Switches.

 

Somebody tweeted this and I would buy it in a heartbeat.

[williamcll]

RIP the 3DS, 

[kelvinhall05]

This actually looks really fucking cool. I might consider getting one considering I love a lot of Nintendo games (most stuff in the Mario franchise like Mario Kart and SMB, never really played Pokemon or anything else lol).

 

 

This is more of a general Switch question, but what kind of backwards compatibility does the Switch have? Any chance it can play Wii games?

[dalekphalm]

I'm surprised so many people have a problem with this - it's fully 1/3rd cheaper than the full Switch, and has the same performance capabilities. This is what people wanted. A portable Switch that was cheaper.

 

Want all the features the Switch has? Then buy the full blown Switch.

 

I would also like Nintendo to make a non-undockable "Console Only" Switch too - to cater to those who never use handheld. The perfect lineup to me would be:

1. Handheld only Switch Lite ($199)

2. Regular Switch ($299)

3. Console only Switch ($349)

 

But even with just options 1 and 2? Still a great hardware lineup. For those who are saying $100 isn't enough of a discount? Really? It's only a $300 base price. $100 off is one third the price. That's damn good. For those who can afford the extra $100, just buy the full Switch.

[kaiju_wars]

1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

I'm surprised so many people have a problem with this - it's fully 1/3rd cheaper than the full Switch, and has the same performance capabilities. This is what people wanted. A portable Switch that was cheaper.

 

Want all the features the Switch has? Then buy the full blown Switch.

 

I would also like Nintendo to make a non-undockable "Console Only" Switch too - to cater to those who never use handheld. The perfect lineup to me would be:

1. Handheld only Switch Lite ($199)

2. Regular Switch ($299)

3. Console only Switch ($349)

 

But even with just options 1 and 2? Still a great hardware lineup. For those who are saying $100 isn't enough of a discount? Really? It's only a $300 base price. $100 off is one third the price. That's damn good. For those who can afford the extra $100, just buy the full Switch.

I have to disagree.  

It's 1/3rd cheaper than a regular switch, for more than 1/3 less features.  Personally I think the best price would be... $180 at most.  

I like the Lite, mostly.  (Hell, I love the design, a lot!).  (You can read my hottake on the last page).  But I think it would have been perfect if it had the ability to be docked.

Not come with a dock, mind you.  Just have the ability to dock.

While the smaller screen is perfect for portability, which I also like that decision... you can also use other controllers (such as other joycons as Nintendo has said).  That's fine and cool, except, you're stuck with a screen smaller than a lot of phones now (my phone has a bigger screen, for example), and there's no kickstand to prop it up in those instances.
I think they should have included a kickstand, or made it dockable in this case.

The advertising shows it being used a lot in multiplayer, which I think is cool.  A group of friends hanging out is even shown.  So since it's portable and you're expected to bring it everywhere with you (obvious exaggeration, but still).  What if you bring it to your friend's house?  That would be cool if you could quickly slap it in your friend's dock to play a quick game of Mario Kart on your save file, or want to show him a new game?  Now you have to hunch over each other's shoulders.  

It's a portable switch, but the regular switch is too.  The Switch line also means how it switches from home, to portable.  It's not a Switch now except for (most) software support.  (there are some software that won't work on the Lite.)  It's basically GameBoy Advance 2.0, IMO.

And with the used and refurbished market.  (Hell, you can get a refurbished Switch from Nintendo for $260) the value proposition really starts dropping in my eyes.

 

I think if they just included the ability to be docked.  They'd have knocked it out of the park.  Buying everything separate that comes with a regular Switch is more than $100 altogether, but it would have made value for both the regular Switch and the Lite.  The Lite could have been the perfect starter console.  Could get a dock later down the road, maybe a pro controller or wired controller.  

[duncannah]

This what the normal switch should cost tbh. It’s way overpriced for what it is

[MMKing]

Umm why?

 

The switch cost 2890 NOK here, while the switch lite is listed at 2490 NOK pre-order. You are paying a 16% premium for the full console. Maybe it's different in other markets, maybe it's prices 5-10% above release price at the moment for some reason.

[Commodus]

19 minutes ago, MMKing said:

Umm why?

 

The switch cost 2890 NOK here, while the switch lite is listed at 2490 NOK pre-order. You are paying a 16% premium for the full console. Maybe it's different in other markets, maybe it's prices 5-10% above release price at the moment for some reason.

It's a much steeper discount in places like North America, where the Lite will cost about a third less than the regular Switch.  I'm not sure why the gap would be so much narrower in Norway, unless you're comparing discounted full Switch prices or retailers are just trying to pad the Lite's price.

[GOTSpectrum]

On 7/10/2019 at 1:37 PM, Lurick said:

If they don't come out with and call the (possibly) more powerful version a Switch switch switch OR a Switch Cubed then I'll be disappointed

It should be called a switch-a-roo

[dalekphalm]

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

I have to disagree.  

It's 1/3rd cheaper than a regular switch, for more than 1/3 less features.  Personally I think the best price would be... $180 at most.

You can say it has lost more than 1/3rd the features, but whether those features are important or not is highly subjective. Nintendo still needs to make a healthy profit, and a $100 discount is honestly more than I would have expected.

 

Most big companies would have only given you $50 off something like this, just to encourage you to buy the more expensive one.

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

 I like the Lite, mostly.  (Hell, I love the design, a lot!).  (You can read my hottake on the last page).  But I think it would have been perfect if it had the ability to be docked.

Not come with a dock, mind you.  Just have the ability to dock.

Why dock it though, when it's not designed to be used with a TV? If you want the dock, buy the full Switch.

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

While the smaller screen is perfect for portability, which I also like that decision... you can also use other controllers (such as other joycons as Nintendo has said).  That's fine and cool, except, you're stuck with a screen smaller than a lot of phones now (my phone has a bigger screen, for example), and there's no kickstand to prop it up in those instances.

The screen size was almost certainly a compromise between portability and usefulness. Yeah it's smaller than some phones, but it also has to cram on buttons and controls, etc.

 

I'd suggest that the size is overall quite good when balancing all aspects.

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

I think they should have included a kickstand, or made it dockable in this case.

I agree it should have included a Kickstand. Instead, people will end up buying third party cases that include a stand.

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

The advertising shows it being used a lot in multiplayer, which I think is cool.  A group of friends hanging out is even shown.  So since it's portable and you're expected to bring it everywhere with you (obvious exaggeration, but still).  What if you bring it to your friend's house?  That would be cool if you could quickly slap it in your friend's dock to play a quick game of Mario Kart on your save file, or want to show him a new game?  Now you have to hunch over each other's shoulders.

You should buy a full Switch, if these are features you want.

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

It's a portable switch, but the regular switch is too.  The Switch line also means how it switches from home, to portable.  It's not a Switch now except for (most) software support.  (there are some software that won't work on the Lite.)  It's basically GameBoy Advance 2.0, IMO.

It's exactly a Gameboy Advance 2.0. One that's compatible with Switch games (fully, if you buy the extra joycons). That's an awesome value proposition.

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

And with the used and refurbished market.  (Hell, you can get a refurbished Switch from Nintendo for $260) the value proposition really starts dropping in my eyes.

Sure, but refurbished is a compromise not everyone is comfortable with. Shorter warranty (or none at all, depending on where you buy it from). A refurbished Switch might have more issues or might die sooner.

 

Or it might not. Each person has to decide whether that's worth it.

4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

I think if they just included the ability to be docked.  They'd have knocked it out of the park.  Buying everything separate that comes with a regular Switch is more than $100 altogether, but it would have made value for both the regular Switch and the Lite.  The Lite could have been the perfect starter console.  Could get a dock later down the road, maybe a pro controller or wired controller.  

I think if they included the ability to dock, they're basically selling a shittier full Switch.

 

I fully understand each persons expectations for this are different. I just think that people are expecting it to basically be a full Switch for cheaper.

 

To me, the compromises mostly make perfect sense. I could definitely want a few things changed (Kickstand, and perhaps a larger screen with smaller bezels), but honestly those are nitpicks.

 

Instead of trying to cram those extra features into this, I'd prefer they release a permanently docked Switch ("Console" version) instead - one without a battery, that cannot be used as a mobile device.

 

Adding that to the regular Switch and the Switch Lite would be a kickass product lineup.

[kaiju_wars]

18 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

You can say it has lost more than 1/3rd the features, but whether those features are important or not is highly subjective. Nintendo still needs to make a healthy profit, and a $100 discount is honestly more than I would have expected.

 

Most big companies would have only given you $50 off something like this, just to encourage you to buy the more expensive one.

 

Ehh, I think that at least having the ability to dock (with not including one) they easily could have gotten the $100 price drop.  Smaller overall size, smaller screen, and all in one design are all money saving designs in and of themselves.

 

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Why dock it though, when it's not designed to be used with a TV? If you want the dock, buy the full Switch.

The screen size was almost certainly a compromise between portability and usefulness. Yeah it's smaller than some phones, but it also has to cram on buttons and controls, etc.

I'd suggest that the size is overall quite good when balancing all aspects.

 

Because it is supposed to be a Switch.  The whole Switch moniker is how you switch from handheld to home console (and back again.)  I believe adding dock support would have made it amazing as a starter Switch.  Hell, Nintendo already sells a "dockless bundle" of the regular Switch in Japan at a big discount.

 

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I agree it should have included a Kickstand. Instead, people will end up buying third party cases that include a stand.

Yeah, this was one of the biggest oversights in my opinion.

 

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You should buy a full Switch, if these are features you want.

Really, the only feature I want is it to be docked, tbh.  I'd honestly be okay with the other compromises if this was the case.  Hell, I'd sell my regular Switch by itself and pick up a turquoise Switch Lite if it could be docked.  I love the design and the inclusion of the D-Pad on the (built-in) joycons.

 

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It's exactly a Gameboy Advance 2.0. One that's compatible with Switch games (fully, if you buy the extra joycons). That's an awesome value proposition.

Nope, Nintendo has already stated it won't support all Switch software.  The most notable is Labo, which really only the VR kit is popular.  But any game or piece of software that doesn't support handheld mode can't be played on it either.  I can only think of a handful of games atm, but I don't have a full list of unsupported games.  (Sorry, I can try to find one later).

 

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Sure, but refurbished is a compromise not everyone is comfortable with. Shorter warranty (or none at all, depending on where you buy it from). A refurbished Switch might have more issues or might die sooner.

Or it might not. Each person has to decide whether that's worth it.

 

That's fair, but I believe when still talking about cut down consoles, people need to keep in mind of the used market also.  While sure, a lot of people don't like used or refurbished, a lot of people also do.

 

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I think if they included the ability to dock, they're basically selling a shittier full Switch.

 

I fully understand each persons expectations for this are different. I just think that people are expecting it to basically be a full Switch for cheaper.

 

To me, the compromises mostly make perfect sense. I could definitely want a few things changed (Kickstand, and perhaps a larger screen with smaller bezels), but honestly those are nitpicks.

 

I mean, sure.  But a good example of a "cut down" console would be the New 2DS XL; it was supposed to be the shittier full New 3DS XL.  It ended up becoming the "go-to" for 3DS models.  It was smaller, not as premium materials, didn't include 3D.  But it had the biggest part of the DS line that the OG 2DS left out, clamshell design.  It still had Amiibo support like the New 3DS did, and arguably a much better design (much as the Switch Lite here)

I think dock support wouldn't really have made it a "shittier full Switch."  Hell, with how many people I've seen wanting a D-pad on the joycons alone, and wanting a (at least slightly) smaller package for more portability, if the Switch Lite was dockable, I could see it being the "go-to" model for the Switch.  Just buy a Dock later, especially now that Nintendo dropped the price of em from like $90 to down to like $50 or $60.  (And bringing up used again, you can find used Nintendo docks cheaper than that).

 

 

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Instead of trying to cram those extra features into this, I'd prefer they release a permanently docked Switch ("Console" version) instead - one without a battery, that cannot be used as a mobile device.

 

Adding that to the regular Switch and the Switch Lite would be a kickass product lineup.

 

 

I still wouldn't like that.  I would rather a more powerful Tegra be released (or if Nvidia doesn't want to, then AMD step up with maybe something based off Zen 2 and Navi), and we get the Switch 2 or whatever it'd be called.

 

I think the Switch Line should remain switchable from Home to handheld.  But that's just being subjective.  

 

Being honest, at the end of the day, the Lite is going to sell well, it's Nintendo.  Even their shittiest home console (in terms of sales) the Wii U, sold more than 13 million consoles.  I think a lot of people will end up liking it.