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"AMD needs to stop launching their products on weekends" - LS

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https://youtu.be/vf7vT389vVA?t=2099

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Quote from Linus on the WAN show. I'm interested to hear what other think of this.

 

".... multiple people on staff here, that are being forced to come in on the weekend, in order to get our videos done on time, it's not right, it's not fair, and it's completely unnecessary"

 

It might be unnecessary from an outsider's perspective but I fail to see how that's AMD's problem, there may be good marketing reasons. What about the many people who are "unfairly forced" to watch LTT live streams at unsocial times... No one is forced, LTT chooses to follow and review other companies, it can't be their problem to fit your timetable. There are benefits and drawbacks in every line of work. 

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Maybe AMD wants people to see reviews first in peace on sunday and then rush to stores on monday...

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58 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Maybe AMD wants people to see reviews first in peace on sunday and then rush to stores on monday...

In my country offline stores are open on weekends. Online ones don't.

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I dont see any problem with them launching on weekends. I have been working weekends for almost 20 years as my job is connected to retail, which in Canada is open 7 days a week so I really dont see it as a big deal.

 

 

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1 hour ago, MattMatt said:

No one is forced, LTT chooses to follow and review other companies, it can't be their problem to fit your timetable.

AMD benefits from getting coverage by reviewers so it's not like their interests don't align. As for whether they are forced or not - if they don't do it someone else will and not getting the video out quickly can significantly impact their traffic as interest dies down after the first day or two. They aren't forced but they certainly are strongly incentivized.

27 minutes ago, Ravendarat said:

I dont see any problem with them launching on weekends. I have been working weekends for almost 20 years as my job is connected to retail, which in Canada is open 7 days a week so I really dont see it as a big deal.

Retailers expect to be open every weekend so their schedules and work hours are adjusted appropriately, not to mention they can afford a much larger pool of employees to properly cover every shift. Tech reviewers only rarely need to do this and it's overtime work since they already got their hours in during business days.

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Totally understand that, my point was its not like this is something that happens every week, so if once or twice a year there is a launch on a weekend I dont think its a hill worth dying on. You bite the bullet and cover it and move on. From AMD standpoint I think a weekend launch is quite smart as its a day off for many people, giving more of your customers the opportunity to get the product you are launching right when the stores open.

 

 

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Me: Its called a job/career.  I too have to work random weekends at my Corporate job.  I too have to do things I don't want to do for the sake of money.  

 

I don't understand the comment at all.

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AMD wanted to replace 7nm parts on 7th day of the 7th month... They chose the marketing relevance over the convenience of youtubers.,, Suck it up LTT there's nothing that says YOU HAVE TO RELEASE ON THE SAME DAY, you CHOOSE to do so and acceptt hat you are reliant on THEM and it's NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.

Linus complaining about it... to me it's more of a whinge than a legitimate complaint... Get over it.

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I guess you guys don't really understand the context of the complaint. By Friday we had already done all the work. 

 

Then on Friday we got an agesa and a driver update so some of my staff would have to stay on the weekend and do it again. 

 

This isn't the first time. 

 

We have no problem doing what's necessary to bring you guys the tech news. The issue here is that this was entirely unnecessary and affects far more than just LMG. 

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15 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

I guess you guys don't really understand the context of the complaint. By Friday we had already done all the work. 

 

Then on Friday we got an agesa and a driver update so some of my staff would have to stay on the weekend and do it again. 

  

This isn't the first time. 

 

We have no problem doing what's necessary to bring you guys the tech news. The issue here is that this was entirely unnecessary and affects far more than just LMG. 

Yeah that's understandable. OP is missing some major context here. AMD is wishing to hype this one up without actually saying a whole lot. My Micro Center run yesterday was a good example of this nonsense, where they're not even supposed to say what's coming. The updates point to two things - rushing to get these updates out on-time as mentioned in the WAN show, and they're simply running behind. OR, their own internal schedule was to release those updates as close as possible to the launch, which is just poor planning.

 

That being said, I don't believe a Sunday launch is completely unreasonable. They're pushing consumer extremely hard and Sundays are decent shopping days. They're also able to get in with the "just got paid" crowd due to being early in the month AND after a Friday. I'm not saying that they would have any major issues moving a high volume over the course of the first week, but I can see where they can get the most bang for their buck, even if it's seemingly some arbitrary "lol, 7nm, 7/7 release".

 

As far as the whole "not fair" comments... yeah, that kinda comes off a little "woe is me", but it really breaks down to two different industries (tech news/content and tech industry itself) not being on the same page about stuff like that. It's not unreasonable, just shows that AMD and other tech "giants" miss a piece of the puzzle regularly. LMG and other content creators also need to be on the ball, especially with major releases, where the traffic will be at its peak. Not only does it mean making sure your viewers are right there with you and getting the tech news from you in a reliable manner, but you're not leaking incredibly valuable traffic. This is true for any more specialized content creator/production company. It's simply less of the case when looking at the more consumer named outlets (Engadget, Verge, and the other usual results that consumers come across in google searches), and tech giants have overall been more in touch with them and/or the more cutthroat nature of those outlets don't take into account the personal aspect of a smaller organization like LMG, or even for the 2/3off crews like JayzTwoCents.

 

Overall, I don't think there's a fault here, and neither side is unreasonable. It simply just sucks that tech giants miss a piece of the puzzle regularly.

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Get a job LTT! 

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I criticise LMG a lot but the one thing LMG have in spades is business acumen and I agree 100% about the Tuesday being a better release day.

Sure they can't expect a huge company to change just for them but that doesn't change the facts…

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As an IT Ops dude I occasionally have to work evenings or weekends to run maintenance on critical systems, or to cover for people who were supposed to but couldn't. It isn't ideal & I would greatly prefer not to have it, but it's something I knew about before I started working in the field. 

It isn't ideal but it's totally something I'll kvetch about over a beer just like everyone else who occasionally complains about their job. There's nothing to read between the lines. 

 

I would agree that Tuesday is a better release day. From the releaser's perspective, it's really nice to be able to have a big event on a standard workday when everybody is at their desk. This is why software firms, gamedevs etc tend to do it. Getting a day 0 patch out is no big deal when you don't have try to wrangle people trying to dodge their phones on their day off. 

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9 hours ago, MattMatt said:

I fail to see how that's AMD's problem

if a reviewer doesn't update his reviews at the last minute with the correct info, then the review will have incorrect info, which is bad for amd.

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 The issue, as I see it, is not the weekend so much, but being given last minute product changes with only a day or two to update everything in an industry where publishing your work is extremely time crucial.

 

It would be like anyone's boss asking them to do the days work again 30minutes before knock off so it's ready for the next day.  Only difference being there is no obligation to do it other than losing income from it.

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3 hours ago, LinusTech said:

We have no problem doing what's necessary to bring you guys the tech news. The issue here is that this was entirely unnecessary and affects far more than just LMG. 

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How about they launch a high end product and give the appearance of actually trying to compete with Nvidia?

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You adapt to the industry, the industry doesn't adapt to you LTT. Since who commands 7th day be a day with no product launch? 

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3 hours ago, LinusTech said:

I guess you guys don't really understand the context of the complaint. By Friday we had already done all the work. 

 

Then on Friday we got an agesa and a driver update so some of my staff would have to stay on the weekend and do it again. 

 

This isn't the first time. 

 

We have no problem doing what's necessary to bring you guys the tech news. The issue here is that this was entirely unnecessary and affects far more than just LMG. 

I'd be more annoyed by the last second price change than releasing on a Saturday imo.

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23 minutes ago, wasab said:

You adapt to the industry, the industry doesn't adapt to you LTT. Since who commands 7th day be a day with no product launch? 

Obviously he adapted. He can be angry about it though.

 

In any segment of life just because you need to deal with hardships, annoyances and handicaps doesn't mean you are not allowed to be angry about them.

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28 minutes ago, wasab said:

 Since who commands 7th day be a day with no product launch? 

God did, it's in the Bible. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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32 minutes ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

I'd be more annoyed by the last second price change than releasing on a Saturday imo.

No, I would consider it part of the job. 

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46 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The issue, as I see it, is not the weekend so much, but being given last minute product changes with only a day or two to update everything in an industry where publishing your work is extremely time crucial.

 

It would be like anyone's boss asking them to do the days work again 30minutes before knock off so it's ready for the next day.  Only difference being there is no obligation to do it other than losing income from it.

Well yeah and the weekend is just the cherry on top (IDK about labor laws in Canada but where I live people get paid extra for coming on Sunday)

 

Also Linus raised some other issues about last minute changes during the weekend which are valid - like prices in retail stores or the simple fact that if some shit hits the fan and something goes wrong you usually have no one to talk to about it until Monday.

 

Imagine scenario: Linus gets new fresh drivers from AMD on Friday. He needs to scramble a new video and retest shit but can't do it the same day cause he isn't a robot. So he is doing it on Saturday and Sunday. And now something happens - the driver crashes for some reason and is incompatibile with some benchmarks or other shit. So here is Sunday and now he has to wonder whether he even has someone to talk to about those problems or not.

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1 minute ago, Lathlaer said:

Well yeah and the weekend is just the cherry on top (IDK about labor laws in Canada but where I live people get paid extra for coming on Sunday)

 

Also Linus raised some other issues about last minute changes during the weekend which are valid - like prices in retail stores or the simple fact that if some shit hits the fan and something goes wrong you usually have no one to talk to about it until Monday.

 

Imagine scenario: Linus gets new fresh drivers from AMD on Friday. He needs to scramble a new video and retest shit but can't do it the same day cause he is a robot. So he is doing it on Saturday and Sunday. And now something happens - the driver crashes for some reason and is incompatibile with some benchmarks or other shit. So here is Sunday and now he has to wonder whether he even has someone to talk to about those problems or not.

I was going to raise the issue of penalty rates on weekends, but to be honest I don't know where I stand on those.

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