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MSI RTX 2060 Gaming Z,new but no warranty,would you buy it?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I'm low on budget.I thought buying this card new for 340 euros,but seller doesn't give warranty.
New card with warranty is 100 eur more.
I know it's a risk,since it's MSI and Gaming Z I'd tkae my chances.
What is your opinion?
How unlucky a guy must be to have issues with this card if bought new (no warranty)?

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no, not when GDDR6 Turing cards have a bad past record of dying memory causing artifacting if not crashing


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Are you in the UK?  As in using Amazon UK?

 

If so, plenty of 2060's for sub-350., with warranty.


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I wouldn't buy anything new for that much money without a warranty 


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Not really, specially with the massive upcoming new cards hitting the market next month, prices are sure going to go nuts.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
32 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

no, not when GDDR6 Turing cards have a bad past record of dying memory causing artifacting if not crashing

where have you read about this?

My friend has used MSI Gaming Z,never had issues with it,although it was 1070 and 1070 Ti.

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Just now, frozensun said:

which cards are coming?Soon?

 

amd has rx5700 and 5700xt(around 2060-2070 level)

nvidia is supposedly reducing prices on current gpus and releasing better ones at the old prices


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Just now, frozensun said:

where have you read about this?

My friend has used MSI Gaming Z,never had issues with it,although it was 1070 and 1070 Ti.

1070 and 1070ti is gddr5 not gddr6


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, _d0nut said:

1070 and 1070ti is gddr5 not gddr6

so what?

The cooler is the same.

Naah I never trusted AMD,screw AMD,I always had AMD cards, they heat a lot,draw a lot of power and their prices drop signficantly.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I don't think anyone had issue with Gaming Z models,yeah I admit it's risky but how unlucky you must be so the new card have issues in the future.

I mean it's not some kind of low budget model.

I don't expect that RTX 2060 will drop prices significantly.

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5 minutes ago, frozensun said:

I don't think anyone had issue with Gaming Z models,yeah I admit it's risky but how unlucky you must be so the new card have issues in the future.

I mean it's not some kind of low budget model.

I don't expect that RTX 2060 will drop prices significantly.

It's not Gaming Z problem, it's literally ALL GDDR6 cards. Reference, Gaming Z, Strix, it doesnt matter.


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2 minutes ago, frozensun said:

so what?

The cooler is the same.

Naah I never trusted AMD,screw AMD,I always had AMD cards, they heat a lot,draw a lot of power and their prices drop signficantly.

You replied to the comment saying Turing cards have issues with memory. 1070Ti and 1070 is Pascal, not Turing. They have GDDR5, not GDDR6. Cooler doesn't matter here. Gaming Z is a good line of GPUs

 

AMD has changed a LOT since those times, although there are some stereotypes that still kinda hold true. Their CPU line is superb, GPU line is still meh. Wait for reviews, if third party reviews show 5700 and 5700XT to be good then you should be able to trust that. Their GPUs still draw a lot more power than Nvidia's at the same performance level though. 

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's not Gaming Z problem, it's literally ALL GDDR6 cards. Reference, Gaming Z, Strix, it doesnt matter.

can you link me about that,where have you read it?

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1 minute ago, frozensun said:

can you link me about that,where have you read it?

Just google it, news on this is everywhere. So common that I dont think a particular link is even necessary.


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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

yeah..check this:

The current top-tier Navi GPU will go on sale in the RX 5700 XT with a reference price of $449,

and trust me,here in east.Europe cost would be around 500 euros,so it's not worth it at all to wit for 5700 XT.

I am not fan of AMD anymore because they drop prices.Insert other media

I paid for my R9 390 back in 2016 350 euros,now I can't sell it for 150 eur.That's bullshit.

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14 minutes ago, frozensun said:

yeah..check this:

The current top-tier Navi GPU will go on sale in the RX 5700 XT with a reference price of $449,

and trust me,here in east.Europe cost would be around 500 euros,so it's not worth it at all to wit for 5700 XT.

I am not fan of AMD anymore because they drop prices.Insert other media

I paid for my R9 390 back in 2016 350 euros,now I can't sell it for 150 eur.That's bullshit.

also, quote people when you reply, so whoever you reply to gets a notification


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1 hour ago, frozensun said:

I'm low on budget.I thought buying this card new for 340 euros,but seller doesn't give warranty.
New card with warranty is 100 eur more.
I know it's a risk,since it's MSI and Gaming Z I'd tkae my chances.
What is your opinion?
How unlucky a guy must be to have issues with this card if bought new (no warranty)?

if they are refusing warranty, it might as well be an open box card that's resealed, for that price it's a hard no.


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