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Raspberry Pi 4! USB 3.0, Dual 4K60 HDMI, Up to 4GB DDR4, Gigabit LAN And More!

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since the USB C port supports OTG, how fast is it?


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On 6/24/2019 at 6:01 AM, ScratchCat said:

I would say no.

In the picture you can see two smaller hubs near the ports, a Pi 3 only has 1.

Remember to buy a heatsink. Even just scanning libraries will push it into the 70C range.

I tend to buy those cheap passive ones  to oc the CPU more.


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17 hours ago, HarryNyquist said:

Whyyyy MicroHDMI, why not Mini DisplayPort??? Uuuuuuugh

Personally I would have preferred just regular hdmi but if it has to be something small, yeah that would be the way to go imo. If it's going to need an adapter either way, may as well make it a good port, and a more common one at that.


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On 6/24/2019 at 4:22 PM, WereCatf said:

I want one of the 4GB-ones, but....those cost 72€ or more, plus shipping, here in Europe! I can't justify paying that much for one, especially since I just want it into my collection, not because I actually have any use for one; I have a whole bunch of SBCs and I can't find any actual use for any of them and they just end up sitting pretty and collecting dust.

Here in the UK the price seems correct - https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b

 

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7 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

Because it doesnt need expensive adapters like in the case of  DP to HDMI? 9_9

I'd pay for an adapter so I didn't snap the connector off, tbh

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sata wouldve been nice or while were at why not m.2 ...like on the back. m.2 drive have become cheaper than microsd 


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1 hour ago, HarryNyquist said:

I'd pay for an adapter so I didn't snap the connector off, tbh

If thats a possibility then you are doing something wrong....

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38 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

sata wouldve been nice or while were at why not m.2 ...like on the back. m.2 drive have become cheaper than microsd 

Likely power consumption, sata drives take a fair bit more power than a microSD card

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Just now, iamdarkyoshi said:

Likely power consumption, sata drives take a fair bit more power than a microSD card

yeah ok. sure i get that. i still think m.2 wouldve been awesome. 


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2 hours ago, cluelessgenius said:

yeah ok. sure i get that. i still think m.2 wouldve been awesome. 

Power consumption (1.5W extra), thermals, and use case.

 

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The A72 will need passive cooling to stop throttling, Pcie x4 would also make the board a lot larger, and like an arduino board is meant to use for a variety of project, weather station, magic mirror, robot car driving etc.


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On 6/25/2019 at 5:13 AM, Ryan_Vickers said:

How can those numbers be correct?  I know they recommend a 2.5 amp supply and from experience I know my good 2.4 occasionally shows the low voltage warning and my 2.1 does almost constantly (might have even crashed at times but I don't recall).  At 5 V, that means it's pulling over 10 W, not ~6 (this is for a 3 series btw)

Are you using other peripherals? Storage devices in particular eat up quite a bit of the energy budget.

Are you using good quality cables?

 

Let's assume it is drawing 10W headless without any other devices attached. It therefore must disperse around 10W in the form of heat. 10W is close to the 15W of a U series chip in a laptop. A laptop will need a decently sized heatsink to keep it cool while the Pi will make do with one the size of a finger nail.

 

Another comparison would be the Mate 9. It drew around 8W under full load but despite being mostly made out of metal could not sustain that power draw.

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8 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

*snip*

The cables should be decent.  Not like they're special high end ones but they're certainly not cheap crap.  And yeah I run it with just a flash drive + wireless mouse dongle, so a bit more but probably the lowest things you could have I would think.


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On 6/24/2019 at 9:54 PM, Sauron said:

Really nice, BUT:

  • I wish they didn't force you to boot from an SD card

You don't have to

 

This technique for no SD card at all: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md

 

Or if you want to keep that functionality for the future the. You can use a bootloader like PINN (loaded on the SD) to direct the boot to your USB device.

 


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People be talking about N64 and PS2 Emulation but I wanna see if I can run Halo 1 or 2 on this thing (willing to bet that’s gonna be a no, but)


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21 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The cables should be decent.  Not like they're special high end ones but they're certainly not cheap crap.  And yeah I run it with just a flash drive + wireless mouse dongle, so a bit more but probably the lowest things you could have I would think.

Huh, very strange indeed.

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4 hours ago, DrDerp said:

People be talking about N64 and PS2 Emulation but I wanna see if I can run Halo 1 or 2 on this thing (willing to bet that’s gonna be a no, but)

Powercore VI is no where near the power of lets say a Mali 450 gpu in a phone from 2010. Seriously it is a waste of time. 

 

 


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20 hours ago, DrDerp said:

People be talking about N64 and PS2 Emulation but I wanna see if I can run Halo 1 or 2 on this thing (willing to bet that’s gonna be a no, but)

Any home console Dreamcast and later is likely to be out of reach for the GPU, given the jump from VideoCore IV to VI seems to be around 30%-40%. More advanced shader filters should be possible owing to OpenGL ES 3.x support, though don't expect miracles.

 

The new cpu on the other hand, should allow the use of more accurate emulators such as Mednafen/Beetle (for PS1) and Higan (for Snes). Though Cortex A72 is quite power hungry too.


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11 hours ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Any home console Dreamcast and later is likely to be out of reach for the GPU, given the jump from VideoCore IV to IV seems to be around 30%-40%. More advanced shader filters should be possible owing to OpenGL ES 3.x support, though don't expect miracles.

 

The new cpu on the other hand, should allow the use of more accurate emulators such as Mednafen/Beetle (for PS1) and Higan (for Snes). Though Cortex A72 is quite power hungry too.

vc4 to vc4 is not a jump.


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Apparently The Pi4 it can encode 1080p@60fps H264 in real time. 

Do you know what that means? Just a few tweaks and they could release a v2 that enables HDMI2 as a capture device.

It'd make a HUGE impact on the streaming scene, since currently starting streaming is pretty hefty $$ wise for a capture card and/or a 2nd computer to stream with. 

This would make a great budget option for streamers just starting out. HDMI In/Out of the Pi, 3.5mm jack for the streaming mic, and I'm sure someone will make a Linux distro for it just for streaming to Twitch/Youtube. 

 

I look forward to v2 >:) 


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3 hours ago, will4623 said:

vc4 to vc4 is not a jump.

Typo. Meant to type Videocore VI for 6. Corrected.


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On 6/30/2019 at 6:01 AM, Chronified said:

Apparently The Pi4 it can encode 1080p@60fps H264 in real time. 

Do you know what that means? Just a few tweaks and they could release a v2 that enables HDMI2 as a capture device.

It'd make a HUGE impact on the streaming scene, since currently starting streaming is pretty hefty $$ wise for a capture card and/or a 2nd computer to stream with. 

This would make a great budget option for streamers just starting out. HDMI In/Out of the Pi, 3.5mm jack for the streaming mic, and I'm sure someone will make a Linux distro for it just for streaming to Twitch/Youtube. 

 

I look forward to v2 >:) 

Is it really possible to turn an output into an input, and that easily at that?  If so I'd agree with you, but then I'd also wonder why most GPUs don't already offer that feature.

 

Edit: or did I misread this... You mean an actual version 2 of the hardware, right? Not just an update?


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