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Raspberry Pi 4! USB 3.0, Dual 4K60 HDMI, Up to 4GB DDR4, Gigabit LAN And More!

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2 hours ago, cluelessgenius said:

the powerdraw though worrys me a bit. just the general trend the pi has experienced. more performance is nice but the pi to me has to be low power usage so you can pretty much leave it on 24/7. 5v at 3a means 15w and thats basically the tdp of a i5 4300U in for example a surface pro 3 or any other older-ish low power laptop and im not sure exactly but i would addume those pack more calculating power. of course you cant really compare that since the has gpios and what not but for some project where you only need a lower cpu working quietly on calculating shit or controling your home or doing whatever the choice between getting a pi and getting a used laptop does become harder to me. 

Just because it is rated for that power draw doesn't mean it will always draw that much. Initial benchmarks show power usage around 2W higher than the 3B so ~33% more. The rest will be split up between external devices.

 

For a more than two fold increase in performance this is a small price to pay, if you really need a lower power draw just lower the frequency.

 

I do admit though that they are beginning to reach the end of the acceptable power draw range.

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1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

can a Pi have the boot OS on a volume over LAN? o_o

 for example the thing has no USB disk or SD card attached, but has an ethernet cable connected to a PC that has a network shared volume for the PI's OS

Yes.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/net_tutorial.md


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1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

can a Pi have the boot OS on a volume over LAN? o_o

for example the thing has no USB disk or SD card attached, but has an ethernet cable connected to a PC that has a network shared volume for the PI's OS 

Yes

Here is a guide on how to do it.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/net_tutorial.md

 

 

It works by downloading the system image from a tftp server (which you configure yourself in your network).

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1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

can a Pi have the boot OS on a volume over LAN? o_o

for example the thing has no USB disk or SD card attached, but has an ethernet cable connected to a PC that has a network shared volume for the PI's OS

Yes, other than what is being said from others, that's a feature that pretty much every computer BIOS have

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wow. This thing is good.

I wonder if I could use one to be both a pfsense router, a NAS, and a plex server. Might be asking a bit much. lol


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4 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

wow. This thing is good.

I wonder if I could use one to be both a pfsense router, a NAS, and a plex server. Might be asking a bit much. lol

well it all depends on config and needs, if the NAS doesn't need any software raid like Raid 5 and plex is mostly doing direct streams then it would be fine. but plex transcoding and bring it to its knees


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6 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

well it all depends on config and needs, if the NAS doesn't need any software raid like Raid 5 and plex is mostly doing direct streams then it would be fine. but plex transcoding and bring it to its knees

Running all 3 would require pfsense to be virtualized most likely too.. which would prob hurt things more (esp RAM). Also not even sure if a Pi can run KVM lol

 

Think I'll stick with my old Optiplex I'm current using for this. It's just not efficient but it was very cheap.


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2 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Running all 3 would require pfsense to be virtualized most likely too.. which would prob hurt things more (esp RAM). Also not even sure if a Pi can run KVM lol

 

Think I'll stick with my old Optiplex I'm current using for this. It's just not efficient but it was very cheap.

I thought pfsense could do the NAS and run plex. I don't know too much about it.


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Gonna order mine on Friday to replace my ageing 2.

 

Watching some videos on the 4 running the new Raspbian version it looks super fast. Booting takes under 10 seconds and it streams 4K YouTube videos with zero stuttering.

 

I also love the look of the included keyboard in the desktop set so I'm gonna spend the £100 and order that.


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Looked more into it. Shame it doesn't have any eMMC capabilities, not even as an add-on board. Micro-SD is sloooow.

 

For the 4B+ maybe?

 


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9 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Running all 3 would require pfsense to be virtualized most likely too.. which would prob hurt things more (esp RAM). Also not even sure if a Pi can run KVM lol

 

Think I'll stick with my old Optiplex I'm current using for this. It's just not efficient but it was very cheap.

A Pi can run KVM. But not x86, as "normal X86 PC machines" cannot use KVM with arm

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2 minutes ago, captain cactus said:

Looked more into it. Shame it doesn't have any eMMC capabilities, not even as an add-on board. Micro-SD is sloooow.

 

For the 4B+ maybe?

 

Look into the samsung evo select cards. I had one in my 3B+ and it was actually really fast and responsive, and since they've upgraded the SD controller, it should be even quicker. Samsung claims 100MB/S read and 90MB/s write, and I can confirm those speeds are obtainable. 

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5 hours ago, LeSheen said:

I have a 3b with heatsinks(came with the case), it barely makes a difference if you don't actively cool it. Furthermore it can handle the heat, it's designed like that. If not it will throttle down, but never had it happen to me except in the summer or with an OC.

I've had good luck just slapping a larger heatsink on them. A small block of aluminium as a spacer and a chipset heatsink from an old motherboard work well, or like the one on my emulationstation, just a solid machined aluminium case will be more than adequate. I do agree that most of the heatsinks for sale are useless though.

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I want one of the 4GB-ones, but....those cost 72€ or more, plus shipping, here in Europe! I can't justify paying that much for one, especially since I just want it into my collection, not because I actually have any use for one; I have a whole bunch of SBCs and I can't find any actual use for any of them and they just end up sitting pretty and collecting dust.


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15 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I thought pfsense could do the NAS and run plex. I don't know too much about it.

it actually probably could if you messed with it. Underneath it's just a FreeBSD OS.

idk if I want to do that much work though xD


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Just now, bcredeur97 said:

it actually probably could if you messed with it. Underneath it's just a FreeBSD OS.

idk if I want to do that much work though xD

ya, what makes plex great is transcoding but that is where you need a good CPU.


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33 minutes ago, Tedny said:

67 Euro for 4Gb.... oh, Pi's getting expensive 

At least they give you the $35 1GB option still which is fine for most people who use it as a very basic desktop or for most electronics projects.

 

RAM is just expensive I guess :/


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2 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

At least they give you the $35 1GB

But it's not $35, it's 46€ here in Europe ?


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5 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

But it's not $35, it's 46€ here in Europe ?

interesting. why is it so much more? 46 euros is $52


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8 hours ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

I wish it wasn't MicroHDMI because A. Who the hell has connectors for those, and B. Displayport is much better imo. Other than that, besides the same graphics as the Pi 3, it looks s e x y.


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14 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

At least they give you the $35 1GB option still which is fine for most people who use it as a very basic desktop or for most electronics projects.

 

RAM is just expensive I guess :/

that 4GB for security Camera will be a big upgrade and if you do coding cluster, 1Gb isn't an option and 2 also 

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2 minutes ago, Tedny said:

that 4GB for security Camera will be a big upgrade

Why would you need 4GB RAM just for a security-camera?


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5 hours ago, cluelessgenius said:

 

I'm kind of torn myself. The Pi 4 provides the performance to run the excellent Beetle PSX core that I've wanted for some time along with high quality CRT shaders. 8 watts is pretty bonkers though, and would be difficult to find something I already have on hand that can feed it. I feel a die shrunk, high clocked Cortex A53 array (or even Cortex A73)  may have been a more prudent choice, though it seems the Pi Foundation wanted the floating-point performance from A72s for some reason. Let's hope underclocking and undervolting are feasible.


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11 minutes ago, WereCatf said:

Why would you need 4GB RAM just for a security-camera?

4k cameras with good fps 

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