A friend presented me with his PC part picker list, I countered

[Casual Cube]

Could use a few second opinions guys. On the right is my counter to his proposal. It is intended just for gaming

 

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Updated comparison counter:

Edited June 21, 2019 by Casual Cube
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[Uptivuptiz]

For the counter list:

Why go with overclockable hardware when the PC is for gaming? You could save some money by going non-OC.

[Casual Cube]

1 minute ago, Uptivuptiz said:

For the counter list:

Why go with overclockable hardware when the PC is for gaming? You could save some money by going non-OC.

Thats why I put an 8700 on an H370. I said on the *right* is my counter. 

[Uptivuptiz]

Just now, Casual Cube said:

Thats why I put an 8700 on an H370. I said on the *right* is my counter. 

Oops my bad. My brain was like: "The left one is the counter"  

I think the H370 is a little low-end for gaming.

Also why not a 9900 non-K?

[Casual Cube]

11 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

Oops my bad. My brain was like: "The left one is the counter"  

I think the H370 is a little low-end for gaming.

Also why not a 9900 non-K?

np

Im under the impression that i9 is terrible value

Edit: i9* not i8

[FloRolf]

~wait for Zen 2~

[GoldenLag]

Um, both arent great. The one on the right is better, but PSU, storage isnt great. 

 

The left is just no.

 

Also at this point just wait likr a couple of days for zen 2

[Casual Cube]

Just now, FloRolf said:

~wait for Zen 2~

dude thats what I told him, I don't know what he thinks about it yet but if he doesnt mind another 3-4 weeks, then I'll get him on board

[Casual Cube]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Um, both arent great. The one on the right is better, but PSU, storage isnt great. 

 

The left is just no.

 

Also at this point just wait likr a couple of days for zen 2

do you have recommendations for the psu and storage

[Fasauceome]

18 minutes ago, Uptivuptiz said:

For the counter list:

Why go with overclockable hardware when the PC is for gaming? You could save some money by going non-OC.

Overclocking is better for gaming performance though, an i5 9600k in a Z370 or Z390 board would have some gains over the i7 8700 for a similar if not cheaper price

[Casual Cube]

3 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Overclocking is better for gaming performance though, an i5 9600k in a Z370 or Z390 board would have some gains over the i7 8700 for a similar if not cheaper price

I feel overclocking is a bit out my his element (my friend), he put the 9900k there because its the fastest cpu but I also know hes burning money for that slight boost and will not manage his OC's best to make use of it fully.

Edit: if he feels he's upto it then I guess it'll revert to the 9900k

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Casual Cube said:

I feel overclocking is a bit out my his element (my friend), he put the 9900k there because its the fastest cpu but I also know hes burning money for that slight boost and will not manage his OC's best to make use of it fully

Yeh if he's not going to really OC more than .2 GHz then it's probably best to grab the i7

[Dedayog]

10 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Yeh if he's not going to really OC more than .2 GHz then it's probably best to grab the i7

Get a decent board and the i7 8700K is at 5GHz with a BIOS setting, just like Memory and XMP.  Even if he's not all that savvy, it's a single setting and done.

 

But yea... may as well add the "wait for Zen 22342422dsfr23452", cuz the naming scheme is ass stupid.

[Casual Cube]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

Get a decent board and the i7 8700K is at 5GHz with a BIOS setting, just like Memory and XMP.  Even if he's not all that savvy, it's a single setting and done.

 

But yea... may as well add the "wait for Zen 22342422dsfr23452", cuz the naming scheme is ass stupid.

do you have any suggestions? Its been a while since I went intel for anything so I have no idea what the B, H and Z board do now. It used to be, B for office/business/basic, H for the home PC and Z for the enthusiasts with unlocked chips. Now I'm not so sure

 

[trevb0t]

33 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Overclocking is better for gaming performance though, an i5 9600k in a Z370 or Z390 board would have some gains over the i7 8700 for a similar if not cheaper price

If I'm not mistaken, don't the Z370 series have limited RAM frequency support? 

[Dedayog]

14 minutes ago, Casual Cube said:

do you have any suggestions? Its been a while since I went intel for anything so I have no idea what the B, H and Z board do now. It used to be, B for office/business/basic, H for the home PC and Z for the enthusiasts with unlocked chips. Now I'm not so sure

 

It's roughly like that still I think.

 

I personally wouldn't put a 2080Ti with a locked CPU of the previous gen.  The premium for the 2080Ti over the 2080 for example would be better utilized in going with an unlocked CPU and mobo for overclocking.  That's what I would do, for me.  

 

Now if he's just a build it and leave it guy...  Then it may make sense. You know how he is, not us.

 

But I will say, if going with the 8700.. use the stock cooler.  The case will provide adequate airflow that the stock cooler is fine with that chip.

 

Also, that PSU isn't the best and way too much power.  Cut it down a bit and pick a better one off the Tier List.

Edit:  What monitor and resolution is he going with anyway?

 

[Dedayog]

Just now, trevb0t said:

If I'm not mistaken, don't the Z370 series have limited RAM frequency support? 

Z370's are fine with 3200MHz at the very least, which is more than enough for the 8 or 9 gens.

[Casual Cube]

9 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

 

Now if he's just a build it and leave it guy...  Then it may make sense. You know how he is, not us.

 

 

The man put a 20 pound dvd drive and an 80 pound windows key in his first list... 

 

Edit: more info : hes at work right now, so need to talk to him to get more info like monitor, how inclined he would be to OC it etc

[trevb0t]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor	£399.00
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	£124.98 @ AWD-IT
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	£74.47 @ CCL Computers
Storage	Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	£59.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Toshiba - P300 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£63.39 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB DUKE Video Card	£1083.47 @ Ebuyer
Case	Cooler Master - MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case	£98.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	BitFenix - Whisper M 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£82.66 @ CCL Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1986.95
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-21 13:51 BST+0100

Zen 2 option here. Swap out the X470 board for an X570 or B550 on release, since we don't have that price data.

[Dedayog]

Just now, Casual Cube said:

The man put a 20 pound dvd drive and an 80 pound windows key in his first list...

Good point.  

 

Still think the 2080Ti is overkill tho.  

 

Lots of other places to enhance the PC experience than a few extra frames,  which he may not get if you limit the CPU.

 

 

[Fasauceome]

17 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

If I'm not mistaken, don't the Z370 series have limited RAM frequency support? 

No, B series does

[brob]

20 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

If I'm not mistaken, don't the Z370 series have limited RAM frequency support? 

All chipsets have some limit on memory frequency. Z370 boards tend to be > 3600, most are over 4000. H310, B360, Q370, and H370 chipsets supposedfly do not support memory overclocking or XMP. So memory speeds on those motherboards may be restricted.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, trevb0t said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core OEM/Tray Processor	£399.00
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	£124.98 @ AWD-IT
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	£74.47 @ CCL Computers
Storage	Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	£59.99 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Toshiba - P300 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	£63.39 @ CCL Computers
Video Card	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB DUKE Video Card	£1083.47 @ Ebuyer
Case	Cooler Master - MasterCase H500 ATX Mid Tower Case	£98.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply	BitFenix - Whisper M 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	£82.66 @ CCL Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£1986.95
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-21 13:51 BST+0100

Zen 2 option here. Swap out the X470 board for an X570 or B550 on release, since we don't have that price data.

The 3700X will be better value. Also B550 is out later in the year I think, along with A520. Pretty sure it is just X570 at launch.

[trevb0t]

6 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

The 3700X will be better value. Also B550 is out later in the year I think, along with A520. Pretty sure it is just X570 at launch.

I do agree, but since he's assuming a no overclock build and budgeting for 1900-2000, I went for the slightly higher core clocker for the extra capital.

I didn't realize the B550 was going to be later on! Good info.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

I do agree, but since he's assuming a no overclock build and budgeting for 1900-2000, I went for the slightly higher core clocker for the extra capital.

I didn't realize the B550 was going to be later on! Good info.

You are only looking at a 100MHz difference though in boost clock speed (4.4GHz vs 4.5GHz) and if the 3700X ends up being around £100 less then it is a no brainer imo.