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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

The truth is that they are. This legislative action is direct consequence of these publishers taking political sides and claiming to be platforms.

 

And we've seen these companies demonstrate it blatantly.

Youtube's solution to Gay Wonk's slander against Steven Crowder (Youtube literally says that Crowder does not violate terms), and the whole ordeal that is the VoxAdpocalypse.

Twitter's banning of """hate speech""" from independent and conservative users, yet legitimate calls to violence and speech in violation of Twitter's ToS are ignored if they come from leftists with any prominence. One of those calls to violence being Gay Wonk's call to "milkshake" political dissenters and make them ashamed to gather in public (which, BTW, someone actually was assaulted in this exact manner. Long story short, throwing a milkshake at someone is battery at best).

And why do you think they allow these controversies to happen? Money. It brings them money.

 

Also hi I'm an independent and my posts haven't been censored by Twitter.

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Just now, Nowak said:

I'm an independent

No, you're not. Far from it, actually.

 

1 minute ago, Nowak said:

And why do you think they allow these controversies to happen?

Politics. Money is a non factor. There is no upshot in revenue from banning users that you advertise to, sell data from, and in Youtube's case: stop serving advertisement spots on.

 

These companies do not gain any monetary value from the political shitshows they pull.

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Just now, Drak3 said:

No, you're not. Far from it, actually.

Oh, ok, I didn't know you determined my voter registration for me. My bad. I'm a Democrat I guess.

 

 

(nope, couldn't keep a straight face. fuck the democratic party honestly.)

 

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Politics. Money is a non factor. There is no upshot in revenue from banning users that you advertise to, sell data from, and in Youtube's case: stop serving advertisement spots on.

 

These companies do not gain any monetary value from the political shitshows they pull.

The media's inevitable coverage of the controversy is what drives people to visiting their sites. This isn't hard to understand.

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Just now, Nowak said:

I didn't know you determined my voter registration for me.

Voter registration is irrelevant. Every single time we've ever talked politics, you squarely take the side of leftism. Your talking points align very well with the US "Democratic" party.

 

1 minute ago, Nowak said:

The media's inevitable coverage of the controversy is what drives people to visiting their sites.

Until the VoxAdpocalypse, the only media coverage was by independent media.

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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Voter registration is irrelevant. Every single time we've ever talked politics, you squarely take the side of leftism. Your talking points align very well with the US "Democratic" party.

Oh, really? Because I personally think the Democrats are fucking useless and would rather not be associated with them. I think we should break away from this, though. Mods, y'know?
 

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Until the VoxAdpocalypse, the only media coverage was by independent media.

I don't remember when or what it was about but I do recall seeing something about a YouTube-related controversy in the mainstream media.

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These platforms do not have any ideology except the one that makes them money. They are grifters, by their nature, and will only side with power for themselves. Anyone thinking differently needs to read more on sociology and politics. 

 

I'm all for this. There needs to be protections for users to have their content free from the grasp of the "private sector" and "public square" when "convenient" to themselves.

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My biggest questions are:

 

1) Who will the auditors be? 

2) Will they be independent of any political affiliation and how many are needed to come to a decision? 

3) What are the implications with enforcing this? Are we going to start attacking every side for every little thing? 

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15 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

These platforms do not have any ideology except the one that makes them money. They are grifters, by their nature, and will only side with power for themselves.

The actions they take directly contradict this.

 

Twitter has been slowly dying, and their political "activism" is a big reason as to why. They're slowly driving users away to serve a political agenda, much like Tumblr did.

 

And it's no secret that Youtube is a money sink for Google. If they were actually looking to make money, they'd drop every original aspect of YouTube.

16 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Anyone thinking differently needs to read more on sociology and politics. 

Anyone thinking differently has been paying at least a little bit of attention to these """platforms,""" if not taking in and scrutinizing info from multiple sources.

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8 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

They're slowly driving users away to serve a political agenda, much like Tumblr did.

Tumblr's death was because of the NSFW ban, actually.

 

It's funny how Tumblr attempting to be more "advertiser friendly" killed them.

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Just now, Nowak said:

Tumblr's death was because of the NSFW ban, actually.

No, it wasn't. Tumblr was dying at a rapid rate prior. The NSFW ban changed very little when all was said and done.

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4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

No, it wasn't. Tumblr was dying at a rapid rate prior. The NSFW ban changed very little when all was said and done.

Once again, the facts disagree with you, because Tumblr didn't see a sharp decline in user activity and traffic until after the NSFW ban. As much as 1/3 of the site's userbase left after the NSFW ban.

 

Tumblr's a shit website anyway so whatever lmao

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23 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Once again, the facts disagree with you

  1. Your source links to another article, which links to a site that only goes back 6 months, ergo not reliable: https://www.similarweb.com/website/tumblr.com
    1. However, user growth rate has been leveling out after years of rapid decline: https://www.statista.com/statistics/426531/tumblr-us-user-growth/
    2. And here, we see roughly the same decline prior to the ban: https://www.statista.com/statistics/261925/unique-visitors-to-tumblrcom/
  2. Pound salt.

 

23 minutes ago, Nowak said:

As much as 1/3 of the site's userbase left after the NSFW ban.

And roughly the same left before it. Growth has been stalling out prior to that. Tumblr has been dying for awhile.

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I've always maintained that a website should be responsible for the content they host.  It doesn't matter who creates the content, they host it, they publish it, they make it available to the people.   If they can't control the content they publish then they shouldn't be publishing content. 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

And here, we see roughly the same decline prior to the ban: https://www.statista.com/statistics/261925/unique-visitors-to-tumblrcom/

Looking at the chart, it looks like there was some gradual decline before a sharp decline starting in December 2018. Based on how much people actually hated using Tumblr it was bound to happen, regardless.

 

I know you want to pin politics onto this but from what I've seen on Tumblr (I never had an account, I just lurked and looked at Pokemon art most of the time) people actually despised Tumblr as a whole, and using it. It wasn't uncommon for me to run across an artist describing Tumblr as a "hellsite". The NSFW ban was just the cherry on top the cake of Tumblr killing itself off.

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2 minutes ago, Nowak said:

I know you want to pin politics onto this but from what I've seen on Tumblr (I never had an account, I just lurked and looked at Pokemon art most of the time) people actually despised Tumblr as a whole, and using it. It wasn't uncommon for me to run across an artist describing Tumblr as a "hellsite".

Huge reason Tumblr was considered a "hellsite" was the political echo chamber it rotted into. A significant portion of the user base had vehement reactions to anyone not agreeing with the overarching politics that ran the site.

 

And the kicker here is the staff encouraged it by banning anyone that got any amount of flak from that outrage mob regardless of whether or not they violated any rules or even posted anything inflammatory.

 

They were all for diversity, unless it was diversity of thought. Or you didn't rack up any victimhood points.

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4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Huge reason Tumblr was considered a "hellsite" was the political echo chamber it rotted into. A significant portion of the user base had vehement reactions to anyone not agreeing with the overarching politics that ran the site.

 

And the kicker here is the staff encouraged it by banning anyone that got any amount of flak from that outrage mob regardless of whether or not they violated any rules or even posted anything inflammatory.

 

They were all for diversity, unless it was diversity of thought. Or you didn't rack up any victimhood points.

The users I've seen calling it a "hellsite" are leftist.

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15 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Looking at the chart, it looks like there was some gradual decline before a sharp decline starting in December 2018. Based on how much people actually hated using Tumblr it was bound to happen, regardless.

 

Looking at that graph it would be hard to argue an event in dec had any impact on declining users/visitors (or whatever it represents). 

 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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Just now, mr moose said:

Looking at that graph it would be hard to argue an event in dec had any impact on declining users/visitors (or whatever it represents). 

December was the month Tumblr banned NSFW content. December 7, to be more precise.

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1 minute ago, mr moose said:

Looking at that graph it would be hard to argue an event in dec had any impact on declining users/visitors (or whatever it represents). 

 

It's a decline in active users.

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8 minutes ago, Nowak said:

December was the month Tumblr banned NSFW content. December 7, to be more precise.

 

7 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's a decline in active users.

 

In that case (being the start of December)  I would argue it was not the deciding factor in declining users,  it might have been part of a larger ongoing narrative or evolution of the service that added to it either by way of starting the decline before ht event or to accelerate the decline after. 

 

If what I am hearing about it being a large echo chamber for extreme socialism then I am not surprised it imploded.    Such ideologies are unsustainable even in and of themselves let alone are capable of growing into a stable form of cultural trait.  

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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5 hours ago, floofer said:

I was listening to the BBC news podcast the other day, and they brought up an interesting point about Libra, the new cryptocurrency by FaceBook - what if your money was not controlled by a bank, and now just corporate entities. They were saying what if you got banned by FaceBook for political ideologies - an idea not too far off, and would certainly not put past FaceBook. No access to money - they have control over the money in that account with their new FaceBook roubles. Banned from using a credit card? It’s a very strange concept.

They are mostly corporations anyway. Just look what happened to Gab. People so batshit mad they started harassing fucking payment processors and they backed out of not even endorsing or supporting them, just being there doing service like with any other company entity. That's about as stupid level of guilt by association as saying "Uh oh mass shooter topped his car at Shell petrol station which means Shell endorse his actions because they've done business with him". That's the level of fucked up thinking people censoring most of internet today have. There is a huge difference between endorsing "white supremacy nationalists" and "nazis" as everyone is screeching like mad when it comes to Gab and having a neutral stance which is what Gab has. Which is exactly in line with their business direction. Open zero censorship social network. They'll only act on it if it's actual illegal content. Having political opinion different than others have is not a sanctionable offense. And never should be.

 

Same with services like Patreon and shit. One thing is Facebook banning someone, like who gives a shit, some dumb platform even though exposure matters these days in business and not being on Facebook can cost you income because of the presence monopoly they have. But when they start targeting people's livelihood, that's when shit gets real. And we aren't talking about "gas all the jewz" kind of people getting banned from such services, we're talking about people or companies that just have a political stance or opinion that's different from the crazy people who demand all this shit.

 

So yeah, I support this and I hope it'll go through. For two reasons, big tech companies stop policing shit because they won 't be liable anymore and secondly, if they do the policing, they lose some of the rights and privileges they are enjoying now. They'll have to pick a side, be open and not liable or behave like publisher and curate shit and be liable for it. Though given how Google, twitter and Facebook and shit are policing things now, I think they'll just carry on and just increase the policing even more. What I am wondering is how would this affect Gab for example. They go the other direction already. Would this mean they could do business without being punished by payment processors as a result of their stance? Paypal ditching them for politics would make Paypal "punished" for curating things that are none of their business? If I understand things right about this thing that is...

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2 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

These platforms do not have any ideology except the one that makes them money. They are grifters, by their nature, and will only side with power for themselves. Anyone thinking differently needs to read more on sociology and politics. 

 

I'm all for this. There needs to be protections for users to have their content free from the grasp of the "private sector" and "public square" when "convenient" to themselves.

A medium sized business cares about the money. Someone that isn't established cares a lot about the money. Monopolies care about money as a secondary objective. They first care about their monopoly and anything that threatens that. And what threatens that is always the Control Networks over politics. Classically, whoever has the "hard power" in the situation is the one who they are most concerned about.

 

You see this reflected in Google's lobbying expenditure. They're either #1 or #2 each year (sometimes behind the Realtor's industry group, go figure) in lobbying spending. Who's actually a threat to Google's position? Only the government, so they act like that. If money was their biggest concerned, Youtube would actually make a profit. (There's some real easy ways to cut down on costs and increase revenue; you know, like managing a White List properly.)  But management of an entrenched, monopolistic company is worried about things different.

 

There's a practical aspect to it, though. For most people, a lack of income the biggest risk for severe change to their life. Billionaires don't think about money in that way. They could retire instantly and never worry. The same is true for entrenched companies. The Boeings or ExxonMobiles of the world don't worry about the same things as 99% of other companies, and, as a result, they don't act like it. They care about connections and keeping happy the groups that could cause them real harm. If you want to see what happens when you fall out of the good graces of the other Elites, see what they did to Zuckerberg. Guy was thinking about Politics and they brought him before Congress to make him look terrible. (And someone paid a lot of money to push the Zuck = Robot memes.) Those are the things Google, Apple and Facebook care about.

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Speaking as a UK'r i in principle have no issue with social media being regulated in what's on there. Provided that regulation is handled in line with other major publishing examples. I'm specifically thinking of cinema and TV, (news reporting is handled a bit differently AFAIK for reasons of journalistic integrity), where it is government agencies who review the content and determine age ratings, acceptable showing times and what they can and cannot show. Theoretically said publishers can ignore this, but if they do they'll be fined.

 

This whole idea that it's the responsibility of the publishers to self regulate when thats not how it works for everyone else is just baffling to me.

 

 

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US doing better than the EU on this front

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This will never get past the lobbyists.

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