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iPwn'd - Cellebrite reports that it can access any iPhone ever made

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Times of Israel

 

Summary:
Cellebrite states they can now access any iPhone ever made as well as some Androids
 

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An Israeli company announced it has found a way to break into any iPhone ever made, as well as many Android phones. Cellebrite was reportedly the company the FBI used in 2016 to hack into the iPhone of the San Bernardino shooter. The announcement from Cellebrite came in the form of an update this week to its website promoting the iPhone-hacking technology, dubbed “UFED Premium,” as “the only on-premise solution for law enforcement agencies to unlock and extract crucial mobile phone evidence from all iOS and high-end Android devices.” The product enables a full file system extraction. It lets law enforcement agencies obtain “access to 3rd party app data, chat conversations, downloaded emails and email attachments, deleted content and more,” the company boasts. “Increase your chances of finding the incriminating evidence and bringing your case to a resolution,” it says in its sales pitch. It also highlights its ability to recover “unallocated data,” or the sometimes still-recoverable remnants of deleted files. Cellebrite’s technology does not work remotely. It requires a specially designed device to be physically connected to the phone being hacked. Cellebrite has faced widespread criticism for its refusal to reveal its methods to Apple so the tech giant’s security technicians can seal up the vulnerabilities. The company has long argued that its help to law enforcement agencies brings greater benefit to the public. But critics have noted that Cellebrite has had difficulty ensuring kits it has sent to clients remain with the clients. In February, Cellebrite phone-hacking kits were found on sale on eBay, while some clients have not returned the kits to Cellebrite after use, as the company requests. There are also fears a Cellebrite kit could be reverse engineered to uncover vulnerabilities that the company continues to keep hidden from the cellphone makers. Apple has long refused US law enforcement agencies’ requests to create backdoors to its operating system that would allow entry into customers’ phones, and works hard to patch vulnerabilities discovered by companies like Cellebrite that specialize in forensic hacking. The iPhone maker has argued that no backdoor or vulnerability is ever truly safe in the hands of law enforcement, as it could leak or be discovered independently.

 

My Thoughts:

While I'm not a fan of Cellebrite, ESPECIALLY with their lack of being able to keep track of their own devices. I can understand why they exist and how their technology is used. However, I would at the very least like to see responsible disclosure for remotely executable exploits and financial responsibility of Cellebrite and it's clients if their technology ends up in the hands of the public. 


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15 hours ago, Mr. horse said:

No surprise, here at my work I do things like this all the time. We get a lot of bad eggs that lock down the phones we give them and refuse to give us the pin code and what not. So its my job to by pass all that and find out what they were doing. 

Pretty sure you use a MDM solution for that though. If that's the case it's not really the same thing.

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2 minutes ago, abazigal said:

Until the next iOS software update, I guess. 

Only if they find what the vulnerability is


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EDIT: Ya know what, it is seemingly only doable by a physical device rather than remotely and, apparently, not exclusive to iOS either. Hmm...

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1 hour ago, Mr. horse said:

We do now. But for the longest time we did not. iPhones are fairly easy to brake into. 

Can you please define "break into"? iPhones are anything but easy to gain access to if you want to access the information on them (as in, not do a factory reset).

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12 minutes ago, Mr. horse said:

Rally if all honestly if you know the apple ID email for the phone and a little info about the user then braking into a iPhone can be quite simple.

That just sounds like brute forced entry into someone's phone which, to be quite frank, is more on the user than on the iPhone being "easy to break into".


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1 hour ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

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EDIT: Ya know what, it is seemingly only doable by a physical device rather than remotely and, apparently, not exclusive to iOS either. Hmm...

I don't think there's much that needs defending.  Android users can't gloat over this because their devices have historically been easier for law enforcement to crack.  The whole point of the news is that, for once, Cellebrite can say it can crack every iPhone, not just ones running old operating systems.  At least, up until Apple updates iOS to break Cellebrite's methods.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. horse said:

Remove pin code/finger print, removed two factor authentication, assess usage of the phone.I'm not going to get into the details of how for obvious reasons.

 

Rally if all honestly if you know the apple ID email for the phone and a little info about the user then braking into a iPhone can be quite simple. But it has become harder with newer version of IOS so we moved to a MDM.

Are you implying that you needed to do social engineering of Apple ID accounts in order to regain control over phones that belonged to your employer?

 

I'm sorry, but that sounds completely illogical and unbelievable to me. I've worked in a large company's IT department and there was no easy way for anyone to regain access to phones that had been activation locked with an Apple ID. Moreover, getting access to someone's account is hardly legal, any somewhat trustworthy company would never order or even allow you to try and do that, because they could face serious legal consequences in most parts of the world.

 

Sure, you can get lucky and guess someone's PIN code if it's been "123456" or maybe there was an iOS version out there that actually had a serious security issue, but it's not easy to break into an iPhone, especially if you're trying to stay in the realm of what's legal.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. horse said:

No I'm not.  Atlest not if the user did not change the email on the account or switch accounts on the phone.

The accounts/phones are property of the company and not the user, but we had users that lock the accounts/phones down and do things they should not be.

IOS 10 and older were full of bugs that allow one to bypass the security, many apps were out there that could remove pin codes. After ISO 11 is become rather hard to brake into the phone without losing the data on it. IOS 12 made it more or less impossible so we moved to a MDM.

Well, given what you said I'm assuming you have access to the company email, which is also the Apple ID. Sure, with that info it'll be no problem to access the account and unlock the phone. But then again, that's hardly a vulnerability on Apple's side, so I don't see why you originally said iPhones are easy to break into.

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56 minutes ago, Mr. horse said:

Remove pin code/finger print, removed two factor authentication, assess usage of the phone.I'm not going to get into the details of how for obvious reasons.

 

Really if all honestly if you know the apple ID email for the phone and a little info about the user then braking into a iPhone can be quite simple. But it has become harder with newer version of IOS so we moved to a MDM.

Guessing the iCloud password is not breaking in lol


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3 minutes ago, Mr. horse said:

That is is not what we were doing. At lest not for the most part. There were times that we did that.

But 9 times out of 10 we were removing the pin and apple ID from the phones via specialized software on a PC

Since it’s a company owned device I’m pretty sure you are just using a device management software like JAMF which is again not the same as taking any old iPhone off the street and bypassing the security measures 


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30 minutes ago, Mr. horse said:

Read my posts. For the longest time we did not use and sort of MDM. We were straight up cracking phones as it was cheaper then paying a monthly free for a good MDM.

Any insight on it then? As devices like graykey were some of the recent publicly known about devices to bypass an iphones passcode. Even then they were pricey, the process was tedious, and Apple made them worthless after a few months with an IOS update.  


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2 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Apple fanboys defending this in 5, 4, 3, 2...

EDIT: Ya know what, it is seemingly only doable by a physical device rather than remotely and, apparently, not exclusive to iOS either. Hmm...

Why would Apple fanboys be defending this?

If anything, Apple fanboys (along with anyone else rational about device security) would be furious that this company is using unknown exploits to crack into phones (along with the fact that they have a history of losing their cracking devices, or them ending up on eBay, etc - which could lead to the exploits being leaked into the black hat community, without Apple having a way of patching it).

 

Unless you mean fanboys defending Apple for refusing to install a backdoor? Which is also a good thing.


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Why would you report on this before you steal a bunch of personal nudes to show the world how celebrities are usually not anywhere nearly as good looking as even entry level sex workers?!

 

But yeah it's not surprising that it is happening after what we've seen in recent years: I just hope it has a similarly strong effect on Apple as it did on Intel but not expecting that to be the case tbh unless there's another massive leak as I joked above.


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Mr. horse why did you "delete" everything you said when everyone quoted you so everything you said is still fully readable? Makes it kind of pointless so you might as well stand by what you said and leave them up.


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1 minute ago, Windows7ge said:

Mr. horse why did you "delete" everything you said when everyone quoted you so everything you said is still fully readable? Makes it kind of pointless so you might as well stand by what you said and leave them up.

Based on his recent status update, the dude left the forum.

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But, I thought Apple products didn't have security problems.  #FAKENEWS


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4 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

Based on his recent status update, the dude left the forum.

Posts nearly 1,000 times then just up'n'quits? "deletes" a bunch of posts and even changed his username to scrambled letters...why?


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16 minutes ago, lewdicrous said:

He didn't explain a lot, but here's the SU if you haven't seen it.

https://linustechtips.com/main/profile/634021-hfduofhrueotghceumgheoriu/?status=235636&amp;type=status

I guess that's one way of going out. It's weird how people join, quit, come back, quit again.


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Keep in mind that it’s not the actual encryption that has been broken. That would put the industry in a widespread panic because nothing would be secure anymore. 

 

What has happened is these guys are claiming to have found entry into these devices via code execution. So basically through the lighting port and it’s interface to the CPU. 

 

If Apple and others can patch that, this goes away. 

 

Also, get a warrant. Lol. 


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I used to work at apple. Celebrite actually made the tools for us to transfer info from one iphone to another. like we would plug any phone, iphone, blackberry,android into it, press a couple buttons and voila. I think they dissasociated back in 2016 but they had direct access wether the phone was locked or not.

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6 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Can you please define "break into"? iPhones are anything but easy to gain access to if you want to access the information on them (as in, not do a factory reset).

Actually,... you just need to NOT do an Update, connect to a PC and access the file System.

It will show up for a split second, before the iPhone blocks it and the folders disapear.

 

Now you open up iTunes on the PC, WHILE having the device connected to the PC and have the Update prompt open on the iPhone. iTunes will not open up, unless you have that prompt on screen!

When iTunes is open, cancel the update,....

... all the folders are now visible in windows file explorer and you can access all you want. You don't even need any 3rd party software whatsoever or any extra device to physically break in.

 

I have used this twice now. Once, because my mother wanted her photos from her iPad (works for iPads as well), before exchanging it for a Huawei Tab, when iOS kept bugging her to make an update before connecting to iTunes and then refused to make the update. This is also how I learned about this.

The second time to help a friend get his data of the phone, funnily also before switching to a Huawei device. ?

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