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[Updated] According to the WSJ Nintendo have started production on the 2 rumoured new Switch models - New Image?

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Update - 21/06

A Chinese company has released a "render"* of the mini switch but are claiming that although they haven't seen the product first hand their image is based on secret information they have. Essentially it's not 100% accurate but should be very close to the final product...

 

*Usual dose of salt applies

 

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It seems as though Nintendo have moved Switch production away from China, probably in response to the current trade war. More exciting though is the rumour that production on the new Switch models has officially begun. One will be bigger and more powerful, the other smaller and having non detachable joycons.

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According to the Wall Street Journal, Nintendo is currently moving its production sites away from China, to an undisclosed location in South East Asia. The reason behind this move is the trade war between China and the US, with tariffs now applying to all Chinese-made electronic products. The WSJ is also revealing that two new models have entered production: a new, more powerful system that will resemble the current one; and a second "lite" model that will be sold at a cheaper price and look somewhat different.

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The Wall Street Journal reported in March that Nintendo planned to update the Switch this year with two new models. One is set to look similar to the current model with beefed-up components, while the other is expected to be a less-expensive model with a new look.


People involved in the supply chain said production in Southeast Asia has started for the Switch, including the current type and the two new models, suggesting Nintendo is getting ready to introduce them soon. They didn’t give specific volume figures but said Nintendo wanted to have enough units to sell in the U.S., the largest market for videogame consoles, when the new products go on the market.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/rumor-two-switch-hardware-revisions-entering-production.541000/

 

My money is on a Holiday 19 release. If the previous rumour is correct the old Switch will get a price drop, the more powerful one will be launched at the current models price and the smaller one will be the cheapest. Apparently the ultimate aim is to have the smaller model replace the DS as Nintendos cheap handheld for kids though that probably won't happen for a while.


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Production probably went to Vietnam

Although I would not even begin to consider a Switch unless its built like a proper mobile device instead of the plastic kid's toy


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2 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

I'm not sourcing from the WSJ, I won't pay for news

i wonder if patreon for location journalism on an individual or small team scale would work 🤔

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3 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Production probably went to Vietnam

Although I would not even begin to consider a Switch unless its built like a proper mobile device instead of the plastic kid's toy

It's a $300 game console meant for everyone from 6-year-olds to 96-year-olds... I'm not sure what you were expecting, a glass back and stainless steel Joy-Cons?

 

It feels just fine; it doesn't creak or otherwise feel cheap.  And I'd rather, y'know, have fun playing games on the Switch than fuss over material choices.  Radical concept, I know!

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1 minute ago, Commodus said:

It's a $300 game console meant for everyone from 6-year-olds to 96-year-olds... I'm not sure what you were expecting, a glass back and stainless steel Joy-Cons?

 

It feels just fine; it doesn't creak or otherwise feel cheap.  And I'd rather, y'know, have fun playing games on the Switch than fuss over material choices.  Radical concept, I know!

Glass with larger screen coverage, higher brightness IPS screen for outdoor use, aluminium body, 4g modem.

Couldn't care less about the detachable stuff.

Y'know, stuff easily found on a ~$200 budget 2016 Chinese smartphone?


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11 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

If it's indeed more powerful I'd really like to know what's inside it. There isn't any obvious upgrade path.

Tegra X2?


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1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

Glass with larger screen coverage, higher brightness IPS screen for outdoor use, aluminium body, 4g modem.

Couldn't care less about the detachable stuff.

Y'know, stuff easily found on a ~$200 budget 2016 Chinese smartphone?

For what it is, it's fine. However, the price on the Switch (currently) is far too high for me to ever consider. Needs to be at $150 or lower, brand new.


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1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

Glass with larger screen coverage, higher brightness IPS screen for outdoor use, aluminium body, 4g modem.

Couldn't care less about the detachable stuff.

Y'know, stuff easily found on a ~$200 budget 2016 Chinese smartphone?

The detachable controllers are the whole point of the console.  Nintendo didn't call it the Switch just for kicks, and they genuinely make it more flexible and accommodating of different play styles.

 

Also, you do know that the controller tech, docking and other things cost money, right?  That the Switch you want would probably cost $400 or more and wouldn't get nearly as many buyers?  For that matter, try telling parents that they're going to have to pay a monthly bill to keep Junior's Switch connected to LTE and see how that goes down.

 

What fascinates me is that you just can't... enjoy something for what it is.  That's a pretty sad way to live your life.

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1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

Couldn't care less about the detachable stuff.

Meaning it's a portable only device that can't be used unless you have a separate controller, which breaks the whole purpose, as well as using it on the go to play some simple games with mates on 1 controller.


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Damn, i really love the switch, might even shill out for the "pro" version.

 

Who gives a shit whats its made of? It could literally be made of shit and sticks and would still provide arguably the most fun games there are.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Commodus said:

The detachable controllers are the whole point of the console.  Nintendo didn't call it the Switch just for kicks, and they genuinely make it more flexible and accommodating of different play styles.

 

Also, you do know that the controller tech, docking and other things cost money, right?  That the Switch you want would probably cost $400 or more and wouldn't get nearly as many buyers?  For that matter, try telling parents that they're going to have to pay a monthly bill to keep Junior's Switch connected to LTE and see how that goes down.

 

What fascinates me is that you just can't... enjoy something for what it is.  That's a pretty sad way to live your life.

 

27 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Meaning it's a portable only device that can't be used unless you have a separate controller, which breaks the whole purpose, as well as using it on the go to play some simple games with mates on 1 controller.

I meant that the detachable controllers are fine as they are currently.

The Switch was a success and I have no problem with that.

Its just that I don't see it being any more than a toy with the build quality and how locked down it is with regards to functionality.

 

I could imagine a Moto Z3 Play with upgraded SoC and relocated mod connectors being a far superior product where quality is concerned.

Having a 4G modem doesn't force the user to have a postpaid mobile subscription... its just so we don't have to resort to stupid ways to give it internet access while outdoors.

 

Maybe if Nintendo was actually aware of the demographics of the people most attracted to the more noteworthy games for this console...

Like, already working adults who are willing to pay lots for decades old IP that they grew up with during childhood...?

 

And before you jump to conclusions, might want to have a look a the Z3 Play's price and features...


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1 hour ago, huilun02 said:

 

I meant that the detachable controllers are fine as they are currently.

The Switch was a success and I have no problem with that.

Its just that I don't see it being any more than a toy with the build quality and how locked down it is with regards to functionality.

 

I could imagine a Moto Z3 Play with upgraded SoC and relocated mod connectors being a far superior product where quality is concerned.

Having a 4G modem doesn't force the user to have a postpaid mobile subscription... its just so we don't have to resort to stupid ways to give it internet access while outdoors.

 

Maybe if Nintendo was actually aware of the demographics of the people most attracted to the more noteworthy games for this console...

Like, already working adults who are willing to pay lots for decades old IP that they grew up with during childhood...?

 

And before you jump to conclusions, might want to have a look a the Z3 Play's price and features...

It's a video game console aimed at a wide audience.  It's not supposed to be a general-purpose tablet; parents may actually prefer that limitation.

 

And yes, you're not required to have cellular connection, but you know what including an LTE modem does?  It hikes the price significantly, both through the actual chip costs and the patents.  Also, there's this not-so-small matter of battery life.  The Switch only lasts a few hours at best on WiFi... do you really think it's going to be viable on LTE?

 

I'd also say that Nintendo is very much aware of the demographics of the Switch.  Hence why the system continues to sell well and why the company hasn't given up on designing kid-friendly games even as it expands its audience.  It's funny, actually, you think you know more about a console's demographics than the company making it... the company that has the sales data, market research and other info that can tell it just who's buying.

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Seems to make sense and the current model being the middle ground base model.  

 

Not sure how much they will strip it down for the lower end model smaller screen maybe and smaller overall


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Do I sell my switch now? 

 

Last Time I sold something before it was officially announced was when I sold my OG Shield Portable when the rumors of a Portable 2 started coming out. It ended up being some crappy tablet... Wish I never had sold that portable. Nvidia has yet to come out with something that wowed me like the portable did.

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4 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

Tegra X2?

Not sure how much of an upgrade it is. It depends on whether it can avoid throttling like the current X1 does (allegedly). If it behaves the same it could end up almost being a sidegrade.

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5 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Glass with larger screen coverage, higher brightness IPS screen for outdoor use, aluminium body, 4g modem.

Couldn't care less about the detachable stuff.

Y'know, stuff easily found on a ~$200 budget 2016 Chinese smartphone?

Remember those Sony Xperia Plays? Those were really cool.

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53 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Not sure how much of an upgrade it is. It depends on whether it can avoid throttling like the current X1 does (allegedly). If it behaves the same it could end up almost being a sidegrade.

Hard to say how much the GPU is throttling, but the X2 can still clock almost 500MHz higher and has double the memory bandwidth that the X1 has at the same TDP. It also has the additional high performance Denver cores that Nintendo could use for software features, and leave the A57 cluster for games.

 

I don't think we'd see a performance bump like that of the Xbox One to the Xbox One X at all, it'd be a lot more modest and promote efficiency, features, and maybe more demanding games (like DOOM) could scale resolutions up a bit more than previously.


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13 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

One will be bigger and more powerful, the other smaller and having non detachable joycons.

Looks like the end for the 3DS. This may have been obvious given it's lack of new game announcements at E3, but a smaller Switch will likely be its replacement. Damn.


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7 hours ago, Commodus said:

And yes, you're not required to have cellular connection, but you know what including an LTE modem does?  It hikes the price significantly, both through the actual chip costs and the patents.  Also, there's this not-so-small matter of battery life.  The Switch only lasts a few hours at best on WiFi... do you really think it's going to be viable on LTE?

I think a good example here of how cellular networking can drain battery life on a mobile gaming device along with hike its price up, would be comparing the WiFi-only Vita 1000 against the 3G+WiFi Vita 1000, using reviews from back in the day if possible.


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6 hours ago, BigDamn said:

Looks like the end for the 3DS. This may have been obvious given it's lack of new game announcements at E3, but a smaller Switch will likely be its replacement. Damn.

According to the rumours from February that's the long term plan yes.


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13 hours ago, Commodus said:

It's a video game console aimed at a wide audience.  It's not supposed to be a general-purpose tablet; parents may actually prefer that limitation.

 

And yes, you're not required to have cellular connection, but you know what including an LTE modem does?  It hikes the price significantly, both through the actual chip costs and the patents.  Also, there's this not-so-small matter of battery life.  The Switch only lasts a few hours at best on WiFi... do you really think it's going to be viable on LTE?

 

I'd also say that Nintendo is very much aware of the demographics of the Switch.  Hence why the system continues to sell well and why the company hasn't given up on designing kid-friendly games even as it expands its audience.  It's funny, actually, you think you know more about a console's demographics than the company making it... the company that has the sales data, market research and other info that can tell it just who's buying.

And how much does the phone I mentioned costs? Yes having a mobile internet connection will also drain battery life. You know whats worse than that? Having your phone tethered to a console and both device battery gets drained. If you don't put in a SIM card, there is no impact on battery life...

 

I'm not making any demands here. If I don't like the product then I just don't buy it, end of story. But making suggestions to people who vehemently defend Nintendo's lackluster design choices is like arguing with blind Apple fanboys...

 

The mobile industry has proven that they can make an elegant, quality built product and still make a profit. I'm not bashing on the original Switch or whats already been done. Thats just a waste of time. But whats not a waste of time is looking forward to a better device we know they can make.


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On 6/16/2019 at 11:21 AM, Commodus said:

It's a video game console aimed at a wide audience.  It's not supposed to be a general-purpose tablet; parents may actually prefer that limitation.

 

And yes, you're not required to have cellular connection, but you know what including an LTE modem does?  It hikes the price significantly, both through the actual chip costs and the patents.  Also, there's this not-so-small matter of battery life.  The Switch only lasts a few hours at best on WiFi... do you really think it's going to be viable on LTE?

Don't forget the extensive and expensive approval processes for various regulatory agencies like the FCC. 

 

Adding in a modem is the difference between a $200 iPod touch and a $600 iPhone. 

Edit: I want to state that the last bit is an oversimplification and dramatization of reality meant to evoke response. 

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18 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Glass with larger screen coverage, higher brightness IPS screen for outdoor use, aluminium body, 4g modem.

Couldn't care less about the detachable stuff.

Y'know, stuff easily found on a ~$200 budget 2016 Chinese smartphone?

It doesn't feel cheap at all.. it's made of plastic... like the other game consoles (cause yes, the Switch is still a console).

As for your $200 chinese budget smartphone (especially from 2016).  It has nowhere near the power of the Switch.

 

15 hours ago, huilun02 said:

 

I meant that the detachable controllers are fine as they are currently.

The Switch was a success and I have no problem with that.

Its just that I don't see it being any more than a toy with the build quality and how locked down it is with regards to functionality.

 

I could imagine a Moto Z3 Play with upgraded SoC and relocated mod connectors being a far superior product where quality is concerned.

Having a 4G modem doesn't force the user to have a postpaid mobile subscription... its just so we don't have to resort to stupid ways to give it internet access while outdoors.

 

Maybe if Nintendo was actually aware of the demographics of the people most attracted to the more noteworthy games for this console...

Like, already working adults who are willing to pay lots for decades old IP that they grew up with during childhood...?

 

And before you jump to conclusions, might want to have a look a the Z3 Play's price and features...

The build quality isn't a major issue.. certain design aspects were, such as the dock.  Sure.

 

Also, your argument doesn't hold up with Nintendo not knowing the demographics for the Switch.  34.47 million units have been sold since it's release in 2017.  In two years it's sold faster than the PS4 and Xbox One did in the same amount of time (at their respective release dates).

You can't honestly think that kids are the only ones buying these.  Look anywhere online, adults are buying the crap out of the Switch also, and it's not just parents buying it for little Jimmy.

 

Also you keep comparing it to tablets and smartphones.  People have to remember this isn't a tablet killer.  The only things the Switch has in common is it's Tegra X1, a touchscreen (which even the Wii U had a touchscreen, so eh) and that it's portable.  

But by that argument we should compare the 3DS to a smartphone, cause it had a touchscreen, mobile SoC, and was portable.

Can the Switch do with a few more multimedia apps? Yes.  Netflix for example would be an amazing edition. (and should be there)

But it doesn't need all the functions of a tablet or phone.  It's not competing with tablets or phones.  It's not trying to be either.  The Switch is very much competing with the Xbox One and PS4.  

36 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

And how much does the phone I mentioned costs? Yes having a mobile internet connection will also drain battery life. You know whats worse than that? Having your phone tethered to a console and both device battery gets drained. If you don't put in a SIM card, there is no impact on battery life...

 

I'm not making any demands here. If I don't like the product then I just don't buy it, end of story. But making suggestions to people who vehemently defend Nintendo's lackluster design choices is like arguing with blind Apple fanboys...

 

The mobile industry has proven that they can make an elegant, quality built product and still make a profit. I'm not bashing on the original Switch or whats already been done. Thats just a waste of time. But whats not a waste of time is looking forward to a better device we know they can make.

Sony tried a mobile plan with the Vita.  Remember how that turned out?

 

As for not liking the Switch, fine.  That's fine, you don't have to.  But it's not really Nintendo fanboys arguing here as much as it seems you're wanting to dislike the Switch.


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