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What motherboard will allow an easy transition from a ryzen5 1400 to a ryzen 3000 series chip.

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So I am planning on upgrading my computer with my paycheck ($500) budget. I want to upgrade the GPU, motherboard, and CPU. I have a GTX 1060 6GB AMD Ryzen 5 1400 and a msi b350m PRO-VDH. I want to get of this board because I am locked out of the bios and I've tried everything. And a hardware change will lock me out from booting. I want to upgrade to a GTX 1660 TI and a gen 3 Ryzen CPU, when they come out. But with my current budget, I need a board that'll take my current CPU, and I can plop the new gen 3 chip when I have the budget with at most a bios update. what motherboard would be a good option for this one. it needs to be a micro ATX board so it'll fit in my case, and neweeg has these two boards. Should I stick with the x370 chipset, or can I go a lower tier to make this work. 

 

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Just wait till the new x570 mobos come out


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@TedstonegeniousIf you want to use the next gen ryzen I would strongly advise getting a B450 mid range at least if you want overclocking capabilities, or even full clocks running under load.

 

X470 is obviously also a possibility 


 

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AMD recommends moving to the x570 chipset because the new chip causes lots of stress on the vrms. They say dont ever run it on 1st gen mobos, not recommended on 2nd gen mobos, and that you should use the x570s cause they have better ways of dissipating the heat.

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What @Apex_X said.

 

You would need a top end X470 board like the MEG Godlike or Creation to have a real chance without frying your board.


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14 minutes ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

What @Apex_X said.

 

You would need a top end X470 board like the MEG Godlike or Creation to have a real chance without frying your board.

 X470 Taichi / B450 GPC have decent enough vrm cooling and quality to handle a 3600 I would say tho. 


 

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1 minute ago, Stormseeker9 said:

 X470 Taichi / B450 GPC have decent enough vrm cooling and quality to handle a 3600 I would say tho. 

I just named the first 2 boards that came to mind. They probably do


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14 minutes ago, Tedstonegenious said:

No, not at all that. AX370 is gimped X370, and first gen boards will die on Zen 2


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17 minutes ago, Tedstonegenious said:

X470 Taichi or the B450 GPC will Handley the 3600 much better, not sure on full OC potential tho, for ther you might need a X570


 

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45 minutes ago, Terabyte_272 said:

Just wait till the new x570 mobos come out

X570 not going to be cheap, AMD said it.

It seem that the older generations of chipset will still be available for the cheaper options.

I think getting a B450 or X470 will be a great choice.

I'm planning on getting a 3600x on my X370.

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Some B350/X370 is not being updated to work with the 3000 series processors anyway, you'll want to do a B450 or X470 if you don't want to do X570. Also if your budget is max $500 and you need a motherboard and the new CPU that doesn't give you too much left over for a gpu.

Good B450 motherboard: $80-$120

Ryzen 5 3600: $200 at least (Could be more so might want to save up some extra money you have almost a full month)

Total without GPU: $280 - $320 (Could be more including shipping and tax)

Leaves the budget for the new GPU that needs to be better than a 1060 6GB at around $180 - $220, that's not very much for a GPU especially one better than what you have. You have a few options, you can go for one of the RX 8GB variants like the 580, or R9 cards for right around the budget but it wouldn't be too much of a jump up. You can go for a 1660ti but those are minimum $279 so out of budget. Some more options include the Vega 56, or some used 1070 or higher GTX cards but all of those will more than likely be $300 plus. 

 


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2 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

I'm planning on getting a 3600x on my X370.

Didn't they say B450 and X470 are the only ones getting updated for Zen2?


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I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly) that a B450 board would be fine for Ryzen 3000 as long as your are not overclocking.

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1 minute ago, SpookyCitrus said:

Didn't they say B450 and X470 are the only ones getting updated for Zen2?

All 400 series is mandatory to have bios update to support Zen2.

For 300 series it depends on the manufacturer to have the update.

Luckily my MB already have the bios updated.

I suspect all 300 mobos will be updated sooner or later.

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2 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

X370 is not being updated to work with the 3000 series processors anyway, you have to do a B450 or X470 if you don't want to do X570.

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Pretty much, but not that cut and dry. X370/B350 chipset is not be required by AMD to support Ryzen 3000, but individual OEMs can support it if they want (if the slide below is correct):

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2 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

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Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

1 minute ago, ATFink said:

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Makes sense after the whole MSI debacle I thought they weren't getting support. I haven't really kept up with the info on it mainly because I personally, unless it was a really high quality board wouldn't use a B350 or even some X370 boards.


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Right. So why would they be updating the BIOS of the B450 and X470 boards if you can't use a Ryzen 3000 chip in them?

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1 hour ago, Bearmann said:

I was under the impression (perhaps wrongly) that a B450 board would be fine for Ryzen 3000 as long as your are not overclocking.

Depends on the motherboard as well as the CPU. If you have a halfway-decent B450 board an 8 core Ryzen 3000 CPU should be fine assuming you don't do lots of overclocking. A 12 core is probably ok if the VRM on board is good, you have a little bit or airflow over the VRM heatsinks, and you don't do much (if any) overclocking. A crappy B450 board may burn up with powerful CPU.


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1 minute ago, Bearmann said:

Right. So why would they be updating the BIOS of the B450 and X470 boards if you can't use a Ryzen 3000 chip in them?

What are you referring to? B450 and X470 do support the 3000 series chips, but some will support them better. We don't know exactly which boards will work the best yet, so anything cheap is a bad idea, going for the good high quality B450/X470 boards are going to be the best bet, going for a cheaper board with low quality VRMs and components is a terrible idea, while it will support it, it could still be a terrible experience, burnt CPUs and fried motherboards from the power draw. You really want to make sure it's a high quality board if you're getting one of the high core high thread Zen2 processors.


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3 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

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I haven't really kept up with the info on it mainly because I personally, unless it was a really high quality board wouldn't use a B350 or even some X370 boards.

Off the top of my head I can be sure AsRock's X370 Taichi mobo has the hardware to handle Ryzen 3000 (within reason), I just don't know if they will support it with a new BIOS (they probably will but I have no way of knowing that). I'm sure there are other X370 Mobos that have the hardware to support higher end Ryzen 3000 CPUs as well, but I'm no expert and can't make a reliable list.

 

Just don't expect to LN2 overclock a 3950X on any X370.


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9 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

Good to know, thanks for clarifying.

Makes sense after the whole MSI debacle I thought they weren't getting support. I haven't really kept up with the info on it mainly because I personally, unless it was a really high quality board wouldn't use a B350 or even some X370 boards.

Not updating the bios would make them look like the bad guy.

We are all under the impression that all AM4 motherboard will support the 2020 CPU from the start.

AMD kept that promise, now it's up to the brand.

I'm not expecting that all CPU will be supported, esp. the 12 core and up.

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1 hour ago, Apex_X said:

AMD recommends moving to the x570 chipset because the new chip causes lots of stress on the vrms. They say dont ever run it on 1st gen mobos, not recommended on 2nd gen mobos, and that you should use the x570s cause they have better ways of dissipating the heat.

AFAIK this is wrong. Some manufacturers chose not to give BIOS updates to their first gen boards, sure. But some first- and second-gen boards have identical VRMs for one thing. Buildzoid put out several videos on the topic, the theme of which is that 6- and 8-core overclocking on quality X370, B350, B450, and X470 boards is just fine. 12- and 16-core overclocking is more VRM-intensive, of course, as those chips will generate more heat, so in terms of overclocking some boards won’t be able to handle the 12 and most can’t handle the 16. 

 

@Tedstonegenious I’d go for one of the MSI boards, like B450 Tomahawk or X470 Gaming Pro Carbon. Either will be capable of overclocking R5 3600.


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