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ryzen 5 3600 with b450 chipset, is this ok?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

is it ok to put ryzen 5 3600 on b450 mobo?

i am talking about a CHEAP b450 mobo such as msi b450m pro vdh, gigabyte b450m s2h, Asrock b450m hdv, etc

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2 minutes ago, cheesepizza said:

is it ok to put ryzen 5 3600 on b450 mobo?

i am talking about a CHEAP b450 mobo such as msi b450m pro vdh, gigabyte b450m s2h, Asrock b450m hdv, etc

Whilst probably nothing would happen, I don’t think it’s a useful upgrade. Motherboard will struggle handling the cpu.


 

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put it in, yes. Running stock, yes. Overclocking, no. Getting the most out from factory turbo boost, nope.


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CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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The 3600 will be fine even on 4phase boards, you can oc all you want. 

 

8 cores will be fine also, oc will depende on the board oc with 4phase and no cooler on the vrm is a no go.

 

Keep in mind that crappy b350 and 450 will always get a bit hot, just keep a good airflow or put a small fan on the vrm.

 

Ive done that in the past for my fx 8150 5ghz. 

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16 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

The 3600 will be fine even on 4phase boards, you can oc all you want. 

 

 

What do you base this on? Especially the cheap B boards will struggle keeping things in thermal check. 

 

As @Jurrunio and I mentioned, it will work, but at stock/under stock speeds


 

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3600x is 65w same as 1600 and same as 2600. 

 

There is no issue with a 6 cores on a 4 phase vrm, power or temps wise.

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2 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

3600x is 65w same as 1600 and same as 2600. 

Except we dont know how turbo boost violates it or not, or when does it change its tactics.

 

3 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

There is no issue with a 6 cores on a 4 phase vrm, power or temps wise.

define components in a 4-phase, whether it has heatsinks, how much surface area do the heatsinks have, before claiming that. I've seen R5 1600 throttle on Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 for example, that's is a 4 phase with heatsink.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 hour ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Whilst probably nothing would happen, I don’t think it’s a useful upgrade. Motherboard will struggle handling the cpu.

i dont plan on upgrade, it is a new build

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

put it in, yes. Running stock, yes. Overclocking, no. Getting the most out from factory turbo boost, nope.

isn't turbo boost considered stock speed?

29 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

The 3600 will be fine even on 4phase boards, you can oc all you want. 

 

8 cores will be fine also, oc will depende on the board oc with 4phase and no cooler on the vrm is a no go.

 

Keep in mind that crappy b350 and 450 will always get a bit hot, just keep a good airflow or put a small fan on the vrm.

 

Ive done that in the past for my fx 8150 5ghz. 

i am not planning on overclocking

what part is getting hot? just vrm? chipset? 

what about opening the side panel and put desk fan near it?

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just my two cents, but: a more decent board (asrock b450m pro4; b450m fatal1ty gaming k4; MSI B450M Bazooka V2 or B450m gaming plus) does not cost much more, than cheapo boards, and they even allow mild overclocks.

 

I would not cut 10-15 EUR price difference here..

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17 minutes ago, cheesepizza said:

isn't turbo boost considered stock speed?

No, in the sense that the board can decide whether how much further it will push the CPU beyond base clock. For example, the 2700X advertise 4.35GHz max turbo, but in reality boards like the Crosshair VII Hero do about 4.15-4.2GHz all core at about 150-180w package power. Cheaper boards like the X470 Gaming Plus might do 4GHz all core at about 120w package power instead.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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If it fits budget get a B450 tomahawk. Good price/performance 


 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
11 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

just my two cents, but: a more decent board (asrock b450m pro4; b450m fatal1ty gaming k4; MSI B450M Bazooka V2 or B450m gaming plus) does not cost much more, than cheapo boards, and they even allow mild overclocks.

  

I would not cut 10-15 EUR price difference here..

i am not really into overclocking, so paying 10 eur for better overclocking is definitely a no

9 hours ago, Stormseeker9 said:

If it fits budget get a B450 tomahawk. Good price/performance 

what does performance means?

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12 minutes ago, cheesepizza said:

i am not really into overclocking, so paying 10 eur for better overclocking is definitely a no

what does performance means?

Performance means suitability for overclocking/XFR. Better power delivery with less heat generation and better VRM heatsinks. 

 

There’s potentially also some other feature differences between boards like back panel IO, audio quality, debug LEDs, flash BIOS, etc. You may or may not care about that stuff. 


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