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Should I wait to upgrade to RX 5700 or upgrade to the VII now?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Right now I'm running an AMD Radeon R9 200 because the EVGA 1070ti I bought a while back didn't work with my board and I just gave up and returned it. I am considering upgrading to the VII but the RX 5700 is coming out soon. Should I bother upgrading now or waiting till the RX 5700 releases and just go in blind from there?

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what board is this? Why it didn't work?


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maybe just wrong with that particular card. No reason why R9 200 series work but not 1070ti.

 

8 minutes ago, ZomRabbit said:

driver clean

DDU?


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CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, ZomRabbit said:

Yeah, DDU. And back to topic, should I wait for the RX 5700 or go for the VII now?

What use case? Nvidia might do something soon to combat AMD's Navi release so I'd wait to see what they do.


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1 minute ago, ZomRabbit said:

Yeah, DDU. And back to topic, should I wait for the RX 5700 or go for the VII now?

The 5700 XT isnt any faster than the R7.

 

But i guess if you want to save some money, sure go ahead. 

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2 minutes ago, ZomRabbit said:

Yeah, DDU. And back to topic, should I wait for the RX 5700 or go for the VII now?

R7. We already know that Navi wont be replacing it, in other words not faster. However the cooler leaves much to be desired with its operating noise and lack of custom cards.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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i'd go with the vii, if you buy the 5700 XT, you have to be fine with having a pc that's slower than a console within a year, and that's 450usd just on the card.


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Wow... not one sensible and reasonable answer... just a load of AMD bashing.

 

I guess the 5700 cards have the fanbois worried that they may have overpaid for something and they can no longer crow about having 'the best'

 

 

But seeing as you specifically asked about the RVII vs R5700... I would wait a few weeks and see what real world performance is like on the new cards.

 

It's always better to be fully informed when making a purchase, and getting the best performance vs value for money is the key for most people... there will always be those who treat tech items as a fashion accessory and want what's perceived as the current 'cool' thing to own. Those people you can completely ignore.  :)

 

When you see the real world numbers and pricing, only then can you make an informed choice... and at the same time you can see what nvidia does to compete against  (potentially) faster cards are much lower prices. You may find that they slash a few prices for a few weeks to try and offset the release of navi based cards. But if the AMD numbers prove to be accurate, they're gonna have to drop them a little 'below' AMD prices to offer true value.

 

Over the next few weeks you'll see the 3rd party cards appearing with better cooling designs and so forth... Can't make a rational choice until you have all the info.

 

Just remember that with the RVII you are paying a premium for that 16GB of HBM memory... so unless you are a content creator it could be wasting money on something you are never going to really see the benefit off.

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1 minute ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

just a load of AMD bashing.

?

 

2 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

I guess the 5700 cards have the fanbois worried that they may have overpaid for something and they can no longer crow about having 'the best'

Navi is never meant to be the best. AMD already mentioned that the R7 will remain on sale and the RX 5700 XT is only compared to 2070, not 2080 as the R7 was and still is


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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If you need the vram and 4k fps go with the R7, if you can wait, wait for reviews. If you cant Get a vega64 nitro, they are cheap and with a nice oc they will be at 2070 lvl.

 

rx5700 XT still is a few days away. 

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22 minutes ago, ZomRabbit said:

Can't wait too long since my R9 200 is dying on me.

If it's dying and you cant afford to have down time, get the R7. Navi will be hard to buy for at least a week after hitting retail


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Yeah I just ordered the R7 and it'll come in by tomorrow. Hopefully I won't need to run a DDU but I'll do it just in case.

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5 minutes ago, ZomRabbit said:

Yeah I just ordered the R7 and it'll come in by tomorrow. Hopefully I won't need to run a DDU but I'll do it just in case.

Whenever you replace a GPU you should DDU, it's super simple so I don't see how it could be a hassle to anyone. Might want to be cautious too if a 1070ti didn't work the RVII might not either it could be an issue other than the GPU. Have you tested any other cards?


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Haven't gotten a chance to test any other cards but I'm pretty sure the issue isn't in the board itself. I'll do a DDU before I install the new gpu once I get it tomorrow.

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