2nd PC build, need some insight

[garrettmb]

3 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

This would probably be a better option, as it has additional (12) power phases, allowing for the load to be spread out amongst more VRMs, meaning that your VRMs will be less susceptible to thermal fatigue. (plus it just looks cooler)

Yeah, it definitely looks cooler. seems to have more sturdy parts on it also. Let me know what you think about the AORUS pro i linked above as it has a similar price point with that sale.

[LukeSavenije]

15 minutes ago, garrettmb said:

I also found a decent Aorus on sale, if you think that has decent heatsinks and will pair well with my system, not much more expensive https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-AORUS-PRO-Motherboard/dp/B07HRZKPXM/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=gigabyte+auros&qid=1560292487&s=gateway&sr=8-4

 

I'd trust a 9900k with that thing... but it isn't really necessary for your use to be honest...

[garrettmb]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

I'd trust a 9900k with that thing... but it isn't really necessary for your use to be honest...

I'm just looking to future-proof my PC a bit in case i get a higher-end processor later down the road. And since it had a pretty big sale on it i looked at it as an option

(also since it seemed to have a pretty solid price for what it was offering)

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, garrettmb said:

I'm just looking to future-proof my PC a bit in case i get a higher-end processor later down the road. And since it had a pretty big sale on it i looked at it as an option

(also since it seemed to have a pretty solid price for what it was offering)

if you want to do that... go ryzen

 

we have 16c on the am4 platform now

[garrettmb]

5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

if you want to do that... go ryzen

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-X470-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING/dp/B07BZ239Z2/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=gigabyte+auros+am4&qid=1560294375&s=gateway&sr=8-2

So if i were to get this MOBO, with a Ryzen 3 2200g. And then save up to upgrade for a much better ryzen 3000 (when they are released), would this be a good motherboard for some of the middle-high teir ryzen 3000's do you think?

[Wh0_Am_1]

1 hour ago, garrettmb said:

Yeah, it definitely looks cooler. seems to have more sturdy parts on it also. Let me know what you think about the AORUS pro i linked above as it has a similar price point with that sale.

Looks great to me! But if you want to be future proof AM4 is the way to go, as Intel is likely to release a new socket, making it so that you will have to buy a new MOBO to upgrade to their next gen processors.

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

It's not the connector, you would need to go LN2 or something like that on K processor to max out the that 8 pin connector, where the issue lies is with insufficient power capacity of B360 HD3's 7 (or 6+1, the specs don't say) phase power delivery, the pro 4 has 11 (or 10+1) phases and is capable of providing plenty of power to all 8th gen 1151v2 processors, and to my knowledge all 9th gen processors with a lower TDP than the 9700.

The z370 Pro4 has a 4 phase VRM for the CPU just like the HD3, it just has double the mosfets which only slightly improves it.

[Daniel Z.]

4 hours ago, garrettmb said:

Do you think the Ryzen 3600 will have better single core performance then the Intel I7-8700?

Yeah, in all honestly the coolermaster seemed sorta garbage for it's price.

Also, since the B360 is pretty cheap, do you think i could squeeze in a slightly better MOBO (for looks and performance :p)?

It’s possible, as the single core performance difference now isn’t massive. The safe bet is to wait and see how Ryzen 3000 is.

[ahmad13610]

maybe like this :

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VWfY3b

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card  ($479.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($36.13 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.88 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1225.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-11 21:23 EDT-0400

 

if to over price, just switch storage with 1/2 TB space, price around 50$.

don't forget to turn on xmp memory profile by BIOS mode , to get running 3600mhz ram.

sry if bad english, this is my first time, thank you.

[Daniel Z.]

1 minute ago, ahmad13610 said:

maybe like this :

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VWfY3b

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Toshiba - X300 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card  ($479.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($36.13 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: BitFenix - Formula Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.88 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $1225.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-11 21:23 EDT-0400

 

if to over price, just switch storage with 1/2 TB space, price around 50$.

don't forget to turn on xmp memory profile by BIOS mode , to get running 3600mhz ram.

sry if bad english, this is my first time, thank you.

This doesn’t even have an SSD

[ahmad13610]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

This doesn’t even have an SSD

i think for gaming ssd not important, hdd 7200RPM SATA 3 is more enough. or can be second priority. ssd can be big impact when seriously work.

[Daniel Z.]

3 minutes ago, ahmad13610 said:

i think for gaming ssd not important, hdd 7200RPM SATA 3 is more enough. or can be second priority. ssd can be big impact when seriously work.

It’s not a big deal for gaming, but for everything else like boot time and launching programs and day to day speed, it’s massive.

[Jurrunio]

21 hours ago, garrettmb said:

My budget is pref under $1200, going to be using is for gaming, and some video editing (as well as web browsing of course). Currently running 2 somewhat basic monitors.

 

I put together some things on pc part picker but I want a second opinion to whether all of the parts will work nicely together or not. Thanks

 

Decent build, apart from bad timings for buying new CPUs. 3rd gen Ryzen's 6 core, 8 core and 12 core should be available for retail in sometime July.

 

20 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

I changed it to a lower end z370, which should hopefully last longer. And I was wrong, the B360 is not capable of supplying enough power for your CPU and would bottleneck it, (it has even been found to bottleneck the 8400) I apologize for the confusion.

VRM has nothing to do with chipset. Can totally have garbage on Z370 or even X299 by X299 standards

18 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

one of the worst z370's I've seen...

At least it has VRM heatsink of some sort

4 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

It's not the connector, you would need to go LN2 or something like that on K processor to max out the that 8 pin connector, where the issue lies is with insufficient power capacity of B360 HD3's 7 (or 6+1, the specs don't say) phase power delivery, the pro 4 has 11 (or 10+1) phases and is capable of providing plenty of power to all 8th gen 1151v2 processors, and to my knowledge all 9th gen processors with a lower TDP than the 9700.

brilliant way of counting phases, board makers must be proud. HD3's voltage controller can do 4+3 at most, Pro4's can do 4+2 max.

3 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Well the Prime does come with some creature comforts, such as onboard power switch, RGB, and a better heatsink for the MOSFETs, though most of these features would be of no use to the OP.

Except in LTT channel's testing with 8700k and 8600k at stock the Z370-A still thermal throttled to the point that 8600k is faster. Note that 8700 and 8700k run the same all core boost at stock

3 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

prime has one of the worst vrms, a horrible, if any heatsink, yet asus sells it at a premium

 

that's why i kinda hate them

I think he's talking about Z370-A, which already has one of the better (if not the best in terms of mass to surface area ratio) heatsink for the entire VRM for the CPU among cheap-ish Z370 and Z390 boards.

3 hours ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

This would probably be a better option, as it has additional (12) power phases, allowing for the load to be spread out amongst more VRMs, meaning that your VRMs will be less susceptible to thermal fatigue. (plus it just looks cooler)

1. Excellent phase counting

 

2. At that point you might as well use an 8600k/9600k

24 minutes ago, ahmad13610 said:

i think for gaming ssd not important, hdd 7200RPM SATA 3 is more enough. or can be second priority. ssd can be big impact when seriously work.

SSD is important in just starting the machine itself. For $1200 budget there's zero reason not to use an SSD, heck even $500 builds are seen with 120gb SSDs for how cheap they are now going for.

[garrettmb]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$83.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler	$39.99 @ Amazon
Thermal Compound	ARCTIC - MX4 4 g Thermal Paste	$7.63 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$102.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB AORUS Video Card	$549.99 @ Newegg
Case	Corsair - SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$83.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1241.23
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$1181.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-11 22:12 EDT-0400

I've put this together, going to go with a cheap "good-enough" cpu and save up for a higher end Ryzen 3000 series processor when they come out. Thanks for all your help guys

 

p.s. - if you notice any incompatibilities in this list let me know

[Daniel Z.]

1 hour ago, garrettmb said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$83.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler	$39.99 @ Amazon
Thermal Compound	ARCTIC - MX4 4 g Thermal Paste	$7.63 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$102.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB AORUS Video Card	$549.99 @ Newegg
Case	Corsair - SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$83.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1241.23
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$1181.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-11 22:12 EDT-0400

I've put this together, going to go with a cheap "good-enough" cpu and save up for a higher end Ryzen 3000 series processor when they come out. Thanks for all your help guys

 

p.s. - if you notice any incompatibilities in this list let me know

No point getting a 2200G when the 1600 or 2600 are only tens of dollars more.

[Daniel Z.]

1 hour ago, garrettmb said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$83.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler	$39.99 @ Amazon
Thermal Compound	ARCTIC - MX4 4 g Thermal Paste	$7.63 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$102.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB AORUS Video Card	$549.99 @ Newegg
Case	Corsair - SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$83.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1241.23
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$1181.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-11 22:12 EDT-0400

I've put this together, going to go with a cheap "good-enough" cpu and save up for a higher end Ryzen 3000 series processor when they come out. Thanks for all your help guys

 

p.s. - if you notice any incompatibilities in this list let me know

Here, I would recommend this.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($147.83 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($75.61 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Patriot - Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($45.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.30 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING Video Card  ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1209.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-12 00:00 EDT-0400

[garrettmb]

4 minutes ago, Daniel Z. said:

Here, I would recommend this.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($147.83 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($75.61 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: Team - T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Patriot - Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($45.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.30 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING Video Card  ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.89 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1209.59

Well, i like the idea of the 2080, but i like the aesthetics and future-proofing that my build has. (Not to mention I don't need the 2080's graphics capabilities anyway especially if i'm sacrificing some motherboard capabilities)

[ahmad13610]

2 hours ago, garrettmb said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor	$83.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler	$39.99 @ Amazon
Thermal Compound	ARCTIC - MX4 4 g Thermal Paste	$7.63 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$102.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$57.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB AORUS Video Card	$549.99 @ Newegg
Case	Corsair - SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.99 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$83.88 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1241.23
	Mail-in rebates	-$60.00
	Total	$1181.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-11 22:12 EDT-0400

I've put this together, going to go with a cheap "good-enough" cpu and save up for a higher end Ryzen 3000 series processor when they come out. Thanks for all your help guys

 

p.s. - if you notice any incompatibilities in this list let me know

for prepare new generation ryzen, i suggesting like this :
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hkvztg

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($83.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX S5 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($709.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($82.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1208.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-12 02:01 EDT-0400

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, ahmad13610 said:

for prepare new generation ryzen, i suggesting like this :
 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hkvztg

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($83.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($129.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX S5 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($709.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($41.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($82.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1208.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-12 02:01 EDT-0400

 

Yeah pair a high end gpu with a low end cpu. Seriously just stop with the bad build suggestions.

[garrettmb]

10 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Yeah pair a high end gpu with a low end cpu. Seriously just stop with the bad build suggestions.

Yeah, thanks for all the suggestions, but I'm perfectly fine with a decent RTX 2070 or RTX 2060. I don't need all the power that a 2080 offers, and would rather put my money into other things. (namely: my processor, case, MOBO, ram)

[Daniel Z.]

If you just want the build to look good, get this. 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor	$209.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus - ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard	$119.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z Royal 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$114.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Patriot - Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$45.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card	$449.99 @ Newegg
Case	Cooler Master - H500P Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case	$134.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Thermaltake - Toughpower Grand RGB 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$88.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1219.92
	Mail-in rebates	-$55.00
	Total	$1164.92
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-12 19:09 EDT-0400