Thunderbolts and Lighting, Very Very Frightening - Asrock Announces X570 motherboard with Thunderbolt 3

[rcmaehl]

Source:
TechPowerUp

 

Summary:
Asrock has released the first AMD motherboard to feature a 40Gbps Thunberbolt 3 port

 

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ASRock['s]... mini-ITX motherboard...the X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX TB3...one-ups other...motherboards in its category by offering 40 Gbps Thunderbolt 3 connectivity over USB type-C, in addition to USB 3.2. This Thunderbolt port also includes a DP pass-through from your discrete graphics card. Expansion includes one PCI-Express 4.0 x16. Storage connectivity includes one M.2-2280 with PCI-Express 4.0 x4 and SATA 6 Gbps connectivity; and four SATA 6 Gbps ports. Networking options include 2.4 Gbps 802.11ax WLAN, Bluetooth 5.0, and 1 GbE. A chunky fan-heatsink cools the chipset, shedding some of its heat to the enlarged VRM heatsink cloaked under the I/O shroud.

 

My Thoughts:



Oh my lord, I am not ready for this. I was heavily considering upgrading from my 1800X for a third gen Ryzen chip but now with thunderbolt ALREADY coming out on X570 boards... I think I'll have a nice hole in my pocket after the upcoming tax season. I honestly can not wait for Thunderbolt 3 to hit AMD powered laptops, especially if Mobile Ryzen 3 is even half as good as it's desktop counterparts.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, rcmaehl said:

Asrock has released the first AMD motherboard to feature a 40Gbps Thunberbolt 3 port

At the cost of other rear IO.

 

I know which board I'm avoiding.

[GoldenLag]

this is great, it means we can get AMD laptops with thunderbolt. something that means they can breach the top of the line ultrabook market. 

[LukeSavenije]

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?

[TVwazhere]

3 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

Asrock has released the first AMD motherboard to feature a 40Gbps Thunberbolt 3 port

^Galileo

 

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This Thunderbolt port also includes a DP pass-through from your discrete graphics card.

This would suggest more powerful APU's are on the way?

[rcmaehl]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

At the cost of other rear IO.

 

I know which board I'm avoiding.

While I do need more than 4 USB ports. Computer accessories now-a-days seem to always be a USB hub as well as their main function. My monitor is a USB hub, my keyboard is a USB hub, and my external hard drive is also a USB hub. Other than ANOTHER NIC, which not many people use, there's not much being given up other than USB ports and not many devices saturate the entire bus anyway.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, TVwazhere said:

This would suggest more powerful APU's are on the way?

both zen 2 + Navi would be a winning combo in terms of APUs and Mobile. 

 

the question is if the CUs now are bigger (relativly speaking) to their vega/polaris counterparts. a 16 CU navi chip next to the 8 core chiplet should be possible. 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, rcmaehl said:

Computer accessories now-a-days seem to always be a USB hub as well as their main function. My monitor is a USB hub, my keyboard is a USB hub, and my external hard drive is also a USB hub

Not really. Monitors with build in hubs tend to be comparatively expensive, keyboards often have a passthrough if anything (meaning that the port is just a glorified extension), and I've never seen an external drive double as a hub.

[IAmAndre]

Tell me, what could some possible use cases? I can see the advantages on laptops and other mobile devices but in this case I can't think of anything other than faster file transfers.

[rcmaehl]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Not really. Monitors with build in hubs tend to be comparatively expensive, keyboards often have a passthrough if anything (meaning that the port is just a glorified extension), and I've never seen an external drive double as a hub.

I've done the comparison between the ITX board and Asrock's Top Phantom Gaming X. You're losing THREE USB ports and 1 Additional NIC. Not too bad of a trade off in my opinion. 
 

Spoiler

 

[Jurrunio]

17 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

Source:
TechPowerUp

 

Summary:
Asrock has released the first AMD motherboard to feature a 40Gbps Thunberbolt 3 port

 

Media:

So the ITX board has a PS2 combo port, 2 USB 2.0, two Wifi antennae, a DP, an HDMI, a TB3, 2 USB 3.2, an RJ45, full set of audio. How hard to could it be to just add a couple more USB ports? This is an mITX board so it's not like you could add in USB expansion cards... And when it comes to dongles, enbrace the Mac memes

7 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

both zen 2 + Navi would be a winning combo in terms of APUs and Mobile. 

 

the question is if the CUs now are bigger (relativly speaking) to their vega/polaris counterparts. a 16 CU navi chip next to the 8 core chiplet should be possible. 

memory bottleneck incoming!

[LukeSavenije]

12 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

_Galileo

galileo

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

memory bottleneck incoming!

yup. 

 

but in high end laptops, what is stopping them from doing HBM controllers or similar. singel stack of HBM should be enough. 

 

for reference when i came to 16 compute units. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-560.c2940

 

its 123mm^2. so a roughly 70% shrink is enough to make it fit nicely. 

 

https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/7nm.htm

[Drak3]

5 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

I've done the comparison between the ITX board and Asrock's Top Phantom Gaming X. You're losing THREE USB ports and 1 Additional NIC. Not too bad of a trade off in my opinion. 

It has enough ports for my keyboard, mouse, mic, and webcam.

 

Bad trade off as what I gain is a port that is nigh worthless on desktop.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Bad trade off as what I gain is a port that is nigh worthless on desktop.

external GPU on desktop. also thunderbolt dock i guess. 

 

its essentially an expencive port that is made to be dongled

[Drak3]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

external GPU on desktop

Unless you're buying a desktop like a Mac Mini or a NUC, eGPU is extremely stupid for desktops. If you are buying those mini PCs, it's mostly just regular stupid.

 

Just now, GoldenLag said:

also thunderbolt dock i guess.

So trade some ports that would be immediately useful to buy a thing to add them back later.

There would be some merit to this argument if there were optical 3.0 cables.

[Quadriplegic]

17 minutes ago, IAmAndre said:

Tell me, what could some possible use cases? I can see the advantages on laptops and other mobile devices but in this case I can't think of anything other than faster file transfers.

There are some audio interfaces that require Thunderbolt. For productivity, this is huge news.

[rcmaehl]

I have a feeling this might be usable in streaming PC setup judging by the DP in.

Main PC --DP-IN-> X570 ITX w/ something to assist with encoding -> Monitor

[GoldenLag]

5 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

So trade some ports that would be immediately useful to buy a thing to add them back later.

There would be some merit to this argument if there were optical 3.0 cables.

i mean it can be neater on a desktop. not having to plug stuff in the back. there is allready enough IO to plug the stuff you need

[rcmaehl]

Just now, VegetableStu said:

that's most likely for the displayport stream in the outgoing thunderbolt connection ._.

Just trying to throw out ideas since the board is being shit on, Asrock DOES like their gimmicks.

[Drak3]

12 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

i mean it can be neater on a desktop. not having to plug stuff in the back. there is allready enough IO to plug the stuff you need

Correction. It has enough for the bare minimum. If you're like me and have an older VR headset, you need 3 more 3.0 ports. I also run a Razer Ripsaw and the occassional external drive.

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Correction. It has enough for the bare minimum. If you're like me and have an older VR headset, you need 3 more 3.0 ports. I also run a Razer Ripsaw and the occassional external drive.

Yeah i will agree to that.

 

 

They should probably have included a m.2 to USB adapter for those who want that instead. NVMe is overrated anyways.

[williamcll]

I thought thunderbolt 3 is an intel thing.

[Drak3]

9 minutes ago, williamcll said:

I thought thunderbolt 3 is an intel thing.

Intel created it, then made it royalty free not too long ago.

[DrMacintosh]

5 hours ago, williamcll said:

I thought thunderbolt 3 is an intel thing.

Intel licensed the tech out to AMD. Though given the recent developments in the CPU space, that might not have been the best idea. With Thunderbolt on Ryzen, Intel no longer has an I/O advantage.