Could Huawei & honor users start a lawsuit against the US govt or Donald Trump?

[Ravenbear]

5 hours ago, Dieork said:

From a "national security" standpoint consumer gear could have been left out, but this also being used as a "weapon" in the trade disagreements. I can not speak to as the long game here, but if you look at Australia who where the 1st ones to place a ban on Huawei infrastructure gear, (last August) it took a while for other nations to follow suite but now that they are it puts more and more pressure on China from a trade side, this pressure could be used to push China into a more equitable trade agreement with different parties not just in the US or Australia but globally. 

 

Trade by nations is very messed up, The US is looking to impose countervailing tariffs not just on China, but on any trade partner that "cheats" on its trade deals using currency manipulation and illegal export subsidies (this the EU). As such bans add pressures to force the hand of the other players to agree to changes or in this case to follow the rules. The US has the 2nd lowest tariff rates in the world at 1.6% Canada is the lowest at 0.8% but the US ends up paying much higher rates at the end of the day when dealing with partners as they knew they could cheat the system and for years the US looked the other way. The US is no longer looking the way and is starting to play hardball. Banning China access to US Tech affects China on a globalized scale and one that they might not be able to weather.

We are trying to bring jobs back to the US. As it is now we are a consumer nation, not a nation that can stand on its own two feet.  And if you do not think other countries do not do the same thing you should look into it.  Take lumber a lot of the wood we cut here is exported to China at pennies on the dollar compared to what you have to pay here. Steel is another one. Ask any metal worker what they think of imported Chinese steel. Blacksmiths and Ferries will not use it, any anvil made there they call an ALD anvil-like device. I have seen both anvils and vices made there break.  Sometimes explosively, I have a scar under my left eye from an anivlI I was using basically shattered, violently. Got one now over 150 years old and still rocking. ( if I could still use it lol)  Americans what cheap goods and to me really do not seem to care for the quality.

[Nena Trinity]

1 hour ago, Ravenbear said:

You cannot sue Federal or State governments unless they allow you or you can convince a Federal judge.  And I see the reasoning and agree with it. If you do not think the Chinese government de-facto controls the company's there you are very naive. I love how when people do not like something the first thing they want to do is sue.  It's one of the many reasons medical care is so high. But that is another subject.  SMDH

I agree suing people for saving your life is shitty and should be illegal, for someone damaging or reducing the value of the property should be fair game even if it is the govt or the president. Yes even suing D.Trump alone would satisfying if I was a affected consumer of this mockery! O3O

[straight_stewie]

14 hours ago, Dieork said:

There simply is not enough diagnostic evidence, either from direct or forensic to say point blank that Hauwei is complacent/active in nation state spying.  

That is correct. But it's very hard to investigate a big player in a non allied foreign nation state, so we don't have the opportunity to find out for sure. At least not publicly anyway...

This is a subject where I am very willing to play it safe, rather than to be sorry. We are already watched by one cyber espionage alliance. Let's not risk making it two.

[Nena Trinity]

5 hours ago, straight_stewie said:

That is correct. But it's very hard to investigate a big player in a non allied foreign nation state, so we don't have the opportunity to find out for sure. At least not publicly anyway...

This is a subject where I am very willing to play it safe, rather than to be sorry. We are already watched by one cyber espionage alliance. Let's not risk making it two.

At best there is negligence of security and to be fair so have their competitors done, by that logic we should execute the CEOs of Cisco for the amount of screw ups and security holes they have had... x-x

[Dieork]

5 hours ago, straight_stewie said:

This is a subject where I am very willing to play it safe

I agree and it can be played very safely through an independent or gov testing and  vetting process for most things. 

 

The bigger issue is that banning a vendor leads to, the remaining vendors become all controlling and they start setting price and service points as open competition is removed. And sure you might be left with only "American" vendors such as Juniper Networks, great now your buy "American" or are you?  American manufacturing is outsourced to three manufacturing companies: Celestica (Canada), Flextronics (Chinese Taipe) and Accton Technology (Chinese Taipe) So then its CISCO for the win, ooh wait the bulk of the products are manufactured in China, then Mexico and Ireland and now the Palestinian Territories... Never mind that the NSA's Tailored Access Operations may or may not have backdoors installed in CISCO hardware. "But it's very hard to investigate a big player"

 

No matter who you buy from or who you are, you need a testing and vetting process. Even if your American and you think you are buying American