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Will there be new b550 boards?

Based on gigabytes pricing for the new x570 (cheapest model being $170 no sli support! Atleast in msi) I'm most likely not going to be building an amd system. 

Why? I don't really want to get a 2070 instead of a 2080 and I don't want to get a cpu less than $250. My mind could change of course. Having said that, will there be any other new motherboards capable of taking the new ryzen 3000 without an update being needed? 

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No. There's only going to be X570 boards, AMD doesn't want poor people buying their products any more. Only rich people who Intel screwed over.

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40 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

Having said that, will there be any other new motherboards capable of taking the new ryzen 3000 without an update being needed? 

Considering what AMD has done in the past, it's likely we'll see newer B550 boards as well as the older B450 boards shipping with Ryzen 3000 support. I don't think you will need to worry about options.

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By the sound of it, yes, there will be B550 boards coming as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they ship later than X570 boards though.

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1 hour ago, Kavawuvi said:

Considering what AMD has done in the past, it's likely we'll see newer B550 boards as well as the older B450 boards shipping with Ryzen 3000 support. I don't think you will need to worry about options.

Based on nexus guess the b550 will be next year. 

Any idea, based on the past, how long until the updated 450 boards come out? 

I know I'm too soon asking this but might as well start an Intel build now if waiting till July won't be worth it for me as I won't be able to get what I want. Damn amd with their bad ass new cpus! 

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1 hour ago, orlando690 said:

Based on nexus guess the b550 will be next year. 

Any idea, based on the past, how long until the updated 450 boards come out? 

I know I'm too soon asking this but might as well start an Intel build now if waiting till July won't be worth it for me as I won't be able to get what I want. Damn amd with their bad ass new cpus! 

I vaguely remember when Ryzen 2000 launched that board partners and AMD were very accommodating -- either they'd send you a temporary cpu to update your bios or send an updated bios chip if you didn't buy an updated board accidentally.  If you're near a micro center they'd probably have no problem flashing a board for you too. 

 

It probably took a couple of weeks after launch for boards to ship with the bios updates, and it would usually say on the store page whether or not it was "2000 ready".  I can't say for sure if 3000 is going to be the same way, but bios updates are already happening in prep for that.

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B550 probably couldnt handle 16c if the output not even close to 150-200A (if it is nice board)

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1 minute ago, Oalei said:

B550 probably couldnt handle 16c if the output not even close to 150-200A (if it is nice board)

For b350/450 you're probably right.  Do we know that for sure with b550?

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Just now, Biggerboot said:

For b350/450 you're probably right.  Do we know that for sure with b550?

i think 16c will be exclusive for X570 Boards (marketing Sales) just like I9 9900K, i mean would put a 16c with a 50-150A output?

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nexus said b550 is next year, i wouldn't be too hyped for it to save a few bucks, with all the new tech and stuff on the x570 and possibly removed on the b550, just pick up one of the lower end x570 and call it a day.

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5 hours ago, orlando690 said:

Based on gigabytes pricing for the new x570 (cheapest model being $170 no sli support! Atleast in msi) I'm most likely not going to be building an amd system. 

mGPU Support is sooo important these days. That works with soo many games - NOT.

Its like 90% of the Games, maybe 95%, don't work with 2 GPUs from either Manufacturer. Due to incompatibility with some fullscreen effects...

 

And there is always the possibility of getting an older Board with Zen2 support...

5 hours ago, orlando690 said:

Why? I don't really want to get a 2070 instead of a 2080 and I don't want to get a cpu less than $250. My mind could change of course. Having said that, will there be any other new motherboards capable of taking the new ryzen 3000 without an update being needed? 

What has that to do with anything? And why don't you mention RX 5700 at all or think about that as well? Might be an option too.

 

To me it looks like you never really considered AMD and are looking for excuses against AMD, to pay 200€ or more for a similar performance (allegedly)...


Also something to consider that you might get 9900K Performance for just 399€.

The 9900K is still ~500€. So you can get a higher end X570 Board for 200€ and a Ryzen 3800X for the Price of ONE 9900K.

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5 hours ago, Alexsolo said:

We should see B550 come to market soon, but we don't know officially until an announcement is made. 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13091/analyzing-b450-for-amd-ryzen-a-quick-look-at-all-the-motherboards

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12625/amd-second-generation-ryzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600/6

 

B450 somewhere in July/August, X470 in April...

So ~3 Months.

 

Meaning October or so for the B550.

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5 hours ago, Virus__ said:

No. There's only going to be X570 boards, AMD doesn't want poor people buying their products any more. Only rich people who Intel screwed over.

Sure, why not. Let's try answering with baseless accusations without evidence.
And mine is Intel not gonna change their mind about pricing higher for just clocks & cores.

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12 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Its like 90% of the Games, maybe 95%, don't work with 2 GPUs from either Manufacturer. Due to incompatibility with some fullscreen effects...

Thanks. I actually had no idea there would be any sort of problem I thought I would just get more power. 

I can't find anything regarding this so I will ask here. Does sli help out in game development? 

 

12 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

And there is always the possibility of getting an older Board with Zen2 support...

What has that to do with anything? And why don't you mention RX 5700 at all or think about that as well? Might be an option too. 

1.timing is kind of an issue, so waiting for zen2 support is along time. lve already held off 1 month for this announcement and now another month and change to see the release. 

2.rx5700 sounds great and I think it would be a better deal then what nvidia is offering and maybe will. Problem here is I want the RT hardware, I've seen benchmarks they are needed for Ray tracing.

3.Yes little games with Ray tracing now, but they are being developed. 

4.No I will not upgrade in 2020 when nvidia upgrades the hardware and amd probably adds RT hardware. Once I build this pc I won't touch it anymore, well I was to add sli.

5.No upgrades, I will build my next pc in at least 3 years for now. 

 

12 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Also something to consider that you might get 9900K Performance for just 399€.

The 9900K is still ~500€. So you can get a higher end X570 Board for 200€ and a Ryzen 3800X for the Price of ONE 9900K.

A $200 board is now low end, I say this thinking about gigabytes x570 lineup and prices. 

 

Also I'm working with a $1000 budget including taxes (pc part picker doesn't add taxes just FYI +10%). Because I want the 2080 budget is at $1350 max. Not even getting a case, and getting the cheapest psu I can find (I have an old system that doesn't have a gpu in it anymore so I can swap out my 850W psu)

I'm thinking

Mobo: x570 - $170 based on gigabytes cheapest price.

Cpu: 3600 - $210 based on some website, seems reliable enough

Gpu: 2080 - $660 based on msi ventus (love the backplate and its the cheapest I think)

Edit: missed out on such a great deal. 

Ram: 16GB 3200- $83 based on a deal I can get for patriot

M.2: xpg 512 GB - $75 based on deal.

Psu: cheapest I can find will probably be $35. Again this is just to swap psus. 

Taxes: $123.3

Total: $1356.3

What are your thoughts and suggestions? 

 

If I go with Intel build I can save around $77 and build now. I know 77 isn't much but I'm already way overy budget of $1,000. I would end up spending $1280. Plus have money left over for about 7 meals, that's a week of lunch!

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15 hours ago, Kavawuvi said:

Considering what AMD has done in the past, it's likely we'll see newer B550 boards as well as the older B450 boards shipping with Ryzen 3000 support. I don't think you will need to worry about options.

I can't speak for all B450 boards, but the Gigabyte Aorus Pro B450 was recently updated to the F40 firmware that provides support for Zen 2 & PCIE 4.0... As for support for 16c/32t CPU's... No one has any real idea at this specific time except AMD/Gigabyte.  But given that the boards are seemingly capable of handling Zen2 & PCIE 4... It's looking more on the positive side in my opinion.

 

I built my current system in Jan and scaled it back a little because of Zen2 & Navi coming out this year.  I've got another system powering my mediaserver that's due an upgrade by Jan as it's running really old gear (FX8350 DDR3 and an old R9 280X which can't do 4k 60hz) and still on windows 7 pro.  So as W7 is EOL in Jan... I'll swap out my B450/2600X/32GB32mhz/RX580 into my mediaserver... and get an X570 and probably the 12c/24t Zen2. I've already got another 32GB of 3200mhz memory in my drawer for that system... Then when I see real world figures for Navi Vs RTX... I'll decide on which vid card I'll be getting.

 

Vid card will probably be 3rd or 4th quarter depending on price vs availability... and as I'm in the UK... if it's a $399 card, then we'll probably see them priced at £379 because we always get screwed on pricing of tech stuff. I don;t need anything else except cpu/board/gpu as I can reuse everything else and my 650 gold PSU will be good enough for most high end cards,

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17 minutes ago, Anomnomnomaly said:

Vid card will probably be 3rd or 4th quarter depending on price vs availability... 

The rx 5700 will launch in July and will supposedly outperform the 2070, atleast based on 1 game benchmark amd did. 

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38 minutes ago, orlando690 said:

The rx 5700 will launch in July and will supposedly outperform the 2070, atleast based on 1 game benchmark amd did. 

They used a game that favors amd video cards, so take that benchmark with a grain of salt and the pricing people have leaked before I'm sure is bogus also.

On the motherboard end, I won't touch a x570 board with a 10 foot pole, the idea of a tiny fan on my motherboard doesn't sit well with me at all. I'd go to intel before i'd buy a x570 board

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1 hour ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

They used a game that favors amd video cards, so take that benchmark with a grain of salt and the pricing people have leaked before I'm sure is bogus also.

On the motherboard end, I won't touch a x570 board with a 10 foot pole, the idea of a tiny fan on my motherboard doesn't sit well with me at all. I'd go to intel before i'd buy a x570 board

The excessive chipset cooling is for the worst case scenarios.  It theoretically can pull a lot more power but it doesn't mean it will if you're not putting in multiple m.2 ssd's or gen4 stuff.  If you put the same cpu and pci-e devices in an x570 it will mostly produce the same heat afaik.

 

Not saying I'm jumping for an x570 either, I can't see myself wanting to future proof for 16-core or gen4 graphics cards -- at that point I'm just going to rebuild.  But the design is fine for what it is I think.

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You lot do realise that the RX5700 may not mean a single GPU... but there could be different flavours of it... You could have anything from a 5710 to a 5790, from mobile to high end.

 

Woouldn't be the first time they've gone down that exact same route, and quite successfully too.

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On 5/28/2019 at 4:02 PM, Totally Average Gameplay said:

Sure, why not. Let's try answering with baseless accusations without evidence.
And mine is Intel not gonna change their mind about pricing higher for just clocks & cores.

I don't think you picked up on my sarcasm mate ?

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14 minutes ago, Virus__ said:

I don't think you picked up on my sarcasm mate ?

I'm sure neither do they.

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GPU: Asrock RX 5600 XT Phantom Gaming D3 (1820MHz core @930mV)

RAM: TeamGroup T-Force Delta DDR4 Gaming 16GB (2x8GB) 3000MHz 16-17-17-37-58 @ 1.35V,

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On 6/7/2019 at 5:23 PM, Totally Average Gameplay said:

I'm sure neither do they.

K.

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On 6/7/2019 at 12:23 AM, Totally Average Gameplay said:

I'm sure neither do they.

I thought it was a funny ass comment. 

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