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x99 oc help plz

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Posted · Original PosterOP

i have a x99x killer mobo and a 5820k. Before i upgraded my ram from 2400mhz to 3000mhz i can easily set the optimized cpu oc 4.2ghz profile in bios and be done. But with the new 3000mhz in order to get that speed it seems turning on xmp causes my cpu speed to jump up to 5+ghz with blck speed from 100mhz to 125mhz.

 

Im not sure if this right but if i pick the optimized 4.2ghz profile in bios and not turn on xmp just increasing the dram frequency to 3200mhz( no 3000mhz option , 2666mhz and 3200mhz gap) it doesnt seem to effect the cpu oc settings. 

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that's normal if your board doesn't have control for 1.00x and 1.33x memory ratio. 

 

38 minutes ago, winkawak said:

not turn on xmp

that will most likely give you terrible memory timings, better enter those yourself as well


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4745MHz 1.408V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.2MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2200MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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x99 needs blck to get 3000Mhz+ on ram.

you'll need to reduce your CPU multiplier

with that said, i'd be really surprised if you notice any performance gains with the 3000mhz ram over the 2400mhz

2400 quad channel = 4800 dual channel

post up some benchmarks to confirm you see performance gains.

also 4.2ghz is a little bit low. most people can hit 4.4ghz. 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
54 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that's normal if your board doesn't have control for 1.00x and 1.33x memory ratio. 

 

that will most likely give you terrible memory timings, better enter those yourself as well

First time when i went into bios after installing the new ram, i did the usual like before ram upgrade picked the oc profile didnt realize with ram oc at 3000mhz my cpu blck speed increased causing cpu to be at 5.5ghz. When the computer boot up there were no display or keyboard/mouse light. Did i do any damage to my cpu or computer in general?

22 minutes ago, bomerr said:

x99 needs blck to get 3000Mhz+ on ram.

you'll need to reduce your CPU multiplier

with that said, i'd be really surprised if you notice any performance gains with the 3000mhz ram over the 2400mhz

2400 quad channel = 4800 dual channel

post up some benchmarks to confirm you see performance gains.

also 4.2ghz is a little bit low. most people can hit 4.4ghz. 

 im new to this , even though this mobo has quad channel im only using 2 ram sticks. On youtube i see 5-10% fps increase in game performance with 2400 vs 3000mhz. Am i wrong?

 

default mobo speed is running the new 3000 mhz ram at 2400mhz but when i checked the specs in cpuz its telling me its still using 1.36v at 16-16-16-39 timing. Why is voltage still high running only 2490mhz? my old stick at 2400mhz only used 1.25v. Also on paper timing suppose to be 15, is it because the 2400mhz its running at?

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1 hour ago, winkawak said:

 

 im new to this , even though this mobo has quad channel im only using 2 ram sticks. On youtube i see 5-10% fps increase in game performance with 2400 vs 3000mhz. Am i wrong?

 

default mobo speed is running the new 3000 mhz ram at 2400mhz but when i checked the specs in cpuz its telling me its still using 1.36v at 16-16-16-39 timing. Why is voltage still high running only 2490mhz? my old stick at 2400mhz only used 1.25v. Also on paper timing suppose to be 15, is it because the 2400mhz its running at?

yes.

4x2400mhz (9600Mhz total) sticks will be faster than 2x3000 sticks (6000Mhz total).

 

different ram sticks clock different

i really like the cheap/old crucial/micro ddr4 2400 or 2666 kits.

I run my sticks 8x4GB 2400CL13 @ 1.3v. I might be able to reduce the timings more. 

 

This is the kit I got on eBay a few days ago.

less than 70 USD for 16Gb and really good on quad channel mobo.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Crucial-Ballistix-16GB-4x4GB-DDR-4-RAM-2666MHz-16-17-17-36-1-2V/223516707574?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, bomerr said:

yes.

4x2400mhz (9600Mhz total) sticks will be faster than 2x3000 sticks (6000Mhz total).

 

different ram sticks clock different

i really like the cheap/old crucial/micro ddr4 2400 or 2666 kits.

I run my sticks 8x4GB 2400CL13 @ 1.3v. I might be able to reduce the timings more. 

 

This is the kit I got on eBay a few days ago.

less than 70 USD for 16Gb and really good on quad channel mobo.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Crucial-Ballistix-16GB-4x4GB-DDR-4-RAM-2666MHz-16-17-17-36-1-2V/223516707574?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

thats what i use, both old(2x4gb, 2.4k mhz) and new(2x8gb, 3k mhz) ram are crucial ballistix sport by micron 

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1 hour ago, winkawak said:

First time when i went into bios after installing the new ram, i did the usual like before ram upgrade picked the oc profile didnt realize with ram oc at 3000mhz my cpu blck speed increased causing cpu to be at 5.5ghz. When the computer boot up there were no display or keyboard/mouse light. Did i do any damage to my cpu or computer in general?

no damage, just no stability.


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4745MHz 1.408V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.2MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2200MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

no damage, just no stability.

thanks

so after messing around with the bios oc preset settings more, i noticed if i just turn on a setting called cpu turbo boost and ram xmp on/off without touching anything else. It automatically puts cpu at 4ghz, 3ghz cache, 125mhz blck speed and ram at 3000mhz.

 

Does this sound right? what else should i check?

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7 hours ago, winkawak said:

thanks

so after messing around with the bios oc preset settings more, i noticed if i just turn on a setting called cpu turbo boost and ram xmp on/off without touching anything else. It automatically puts cpu at 4ghz, 3ghz cache, 125mhz blck speed and ram at 3000mhz.

 

Does this sound right? what else should i check?

voltages. Make sure VCCIN (CPU input voltage) doesnt go past 2V (unnecessary), Vcore (CPU core voltage) below 1.4V (can degrade CPUs a bit too quickly) and core temperature in check


"What's under the heatsink?" ep1, "Why it's not as good as it seem?" AMD fanboy edition out, episode 2 "Why my gaming board is a scam?" Intel fanboy edition coming soon (this is a link)

Hardware specs below

CPU: i7-2600K 4745MHz 1.408V (software) --> 1.4?V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.2MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2200MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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The X99 platform need to use 125 MHz CPU Base Clock...from what I know, when using DDR4-3000 MHz or above.

I had asked this exact same question back in... 2017 ? when I got my ASUS X99 Deluxe II and i7-6800K.

 

See here: 

 

 

Don't remember if this was true or not, but given X99 was on the Haswell-E and Broadwell-E architecture, they were not capable to running such high DRAM speeds while maintaining a 100 MHZ CPU Base Clock.

 

Assuming timings are identical, DDR4-3000 MHz SHOULD be faster than DDR4-2400 MHz.

 


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