Nvidia trying to trademark..... numbers?

[Bouzoo]

Just now, leadeater said:

Lame, just fix the image embed  

On phone. Edit my post, you have my permission.

[Trik'Stari]

4 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

"TRIAL BY DRAG RACE"

"NO, TRIAL BY DISTANCE"

"Susbstantial goodwill Ford has developed in the F150 brand"

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ferrari should counter sue over that statement for flagrant false advertising.

[Bouzoo]

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Lame, just fix the image embed  

Wait, I did it as well. Fuck. 

I am lost now. Do whatever you want. I give up. 

[leadeater]

Just now, Bouzoo said:

Wait, I did it as well. Fuck. 

Technically you fixed it and mine was broken so I undid mine 

[Bouzoo]

Just now, leadeater said:

Technically you fixed it and mine was broken so I undid mine 

I thought I deleted yours. I give up. 

[leadeater]

Just now, Bouzoo said:

I thought I deleted yours. I give up. 

This is why we don't like editing posts 

[Mihle]

There is another part to what AMD is doing than trying to have higher number than Nvidia. And that is to have something that fits better with their CPU naming scheme.

For example

R5 3600 with RX 3070.

 

OEMs could even call that AMD 3670 if they wanted.

 

Not saying it's good or bad, but it might also be a reason.

 

 

[JoeCoke]

This AMD naming bullshit needs to quit. Also, if they really were just changing their numbering scheme to match Ryzen 3rd gen, why not call it RX 3x00 instead of 30x0? It's clearing what they're trying to pull here.

[TetraSky]

Since you can't "Copyright" numbers... at best you could argue that they could trademark them... But because they are not actually using those numbers, some of which won't be used for years to come and is clearly a plot to prevent their competitors from using it, I doubt they will get it. They'd also need to be actively defending that trademark, which they obviously can't since they aren't using it.

[Master Disaster]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

I'd love it if AMD had zero intention of using those namings and Nvida was a victim of 'tech media' hype bs lol

Not a chance, you know as well as everyone else, if Nvidia are trying this then they know 100% what's coming otherwise they wouldn't waste the money on a what if.

 

Will they succeed? Nope, it's been tried before multiple times and it's always failed, you cannot trademark a number unless it's part of a brand name.

[ch3w2oy]

Fuck Nvidia and fuck Intel.. Nvidia talks so much shit that if I was AMD I would make it my mission to use 3*** in the naming scheme.. I personally like their old one but I can almost say with certainty that going above Nvidias naming scheme will most likely help with sales (how much is unknown).. 

 

Ryzen, it makes perfect sense what they did.. Motherboards definitely could have been maybe something different.. But the processors they did spot on exactly what they should have IMO.. 

 

There's a ton of money that goes into shit like this so please don't think they're doing it just for the LOLs.. Companies pay millions of dollars to change a color in their logo because it may make you feel a certain way.. We're taking about million/billion dollar marketing companies where  a single letter, number or color could result in a sale.. 

[Master Disaster]

3 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

You can't "Copyright" numbers... at best you could argue that they could trademark them... But because they are not actually using those numbers, some of which won't be used for years to come and is clearly a plot to prevent their competitors from using it, I doubt they will get it.

It's possible I'm misremembering but I believe there is legal president for this. I believe you can trademark a number if it's part of your brand name only.

[PlayStation 2]

"Nvidia and Intel are meanies, so AMD gets to fuck up naming schemes!"

Is that what I'm really hearing right now? Is it really? I never thought the logic of some on this forum could falter harder but for some reason, it happens.

[leadeater]

12 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Not a chance, you know as well as everyone else, if Nvidia are trying this then they know 100% what's coming otherwise they wouldn't waste the money on a what if.

But the thought of Nvidia being wccftech'd or adored'd is just too good not to hope for, even with a ~1% chance it's a bet I'd take, I'd find it very funny.  *steps up to roulette table* "Put it all on memes, I mean red"

[paddy-stone]

I'd like to see a simplified naming scheme personally. even just adding the year they released would be helpful to most people I think. For mobos, something like tiers would be nice, something like Basic/medium/high, and then the stack where they sit... everything else should be covered by socket supported, except in intels case as they stupidly have the same socket sometimes but CPUs actually supported can be finicky.

[RejZoR]

57 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Just remembered this. Pure gold. Ferrari vs Ford.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-12417757

It's really easy to mistaken F1 race car for a F-150 pickup truck. I mean, imagine you're an F1 racing driver and you drive to the start line in F-150. Shit happens, right?

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Peugeot has a trademark on numbering scheme with single or double zero in the middle like: 106, 206, 306, 406 etc and double zeroes like 3008, 4008, 5008 etc. No other car manufacturer can use it. Or Porsche with its iconic "911"

Funny that you mention the 911.  That car was supposed to be called "901", but Porsche changed it because Peugeot complained about the number

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_901

 

 

 

Anyway, this whole patent thing is out of control.  What's next?  A phone company patenting a rectangle with rounded corners? 

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, LukaH said:

Nvidia tries to block AMD from naming their RX GPUs similar to the RTX lineup by (trying) trademarking the numbers 3080, 4080 and 5080

Geforce Partner Programme 2.0.

 

Well, nVidia once had good OpenCL support. You know, when they had the edge over AMD.

As soon as AMD closed the Gap, they stopped (officially) and pushed CUDA more...

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, Spotty said:

Why is it ridiculous? AMD are being assholes when it comes to naming schemes. Look at the X399 chipset for Threadripper (copying Intel's HEDT chipset naming scheme trend of X79, X99, X299), mid range consumer B350/B450 chipset (copying Intels naming scheme trend of B150, B250 chipsets). That has caused issue for Intel who had to change to B360 naming scheme to avoid customer confusion. They even did the same thing with the Ryzen 3, 5, 7, and 9 CPUs (copying Intel's i3, i5, i7, i9).

It would be awesome if Numbers, Names and Brands would be irrelevant and all that counts is how good the Product is...

 

But you know it from the PSU area that people get stuff "by brand" and that some brands are able to sell some pretty low end units for a good premium price...

Its the same in other areas as well.

It feels sometimes like the Product is secondary to the Name and the Label on the Product...

 

PS: As for Intel AMD Processor naming; you can argue that here Intel stole AMD's Naming with Phenom and one upped that. Instead of "x2", they named it i3.

[leadeater]

10 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

AMD's Naming with Phenom and one upped that. Instead of "x2"

Didn't that start with the AMD Athlon 64 X2?

[Stefan Payne]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Didn't that start with the AMD Athlon 64 X2?

Yes, it actually did and was just the core count in the name.

 

But with Phenom they had the whole set -> x2, X3, X4 and later X6 (FIRST 6 Core in Desktop!!1111)

When you put Phenom X2, X4, X6 against Core i3, i5, i7, it looks like Intel stole a bit from AMD.

Not that I care about that anyway.

 

[NumLock21]

24 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

Funny that you mention the 911.  That car was supposed to be called "901", but Porsche changed it because Peugeot complained about the number

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_901

 

 

 

Anyway, this whole patent thing is out of control.  What's next?  A phone company patenting a rectangle with rounded corners? 

Porsche should have name theirs to 9O1.

[samcool55]

1 hour ago, Bouzoo said:

Just remembered this. Pure gold. Ferrari vs Ford.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-12417757

That's not the only case of Ford being a complete arse tho.

The original plan from tesla was to name them model S, model E and model X so they would be the SEX-range.

Thing is, Ford was like "no you can't do that, we already have an E-series".

It's a VAN, the "free candy" type van.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_E_series

 

That's why they changed it to 3. It's still the S3X-range (which is close enough i guess).

Also why the new one is the Y, makes it S3XY.

 

Also another detail is that Mercedes also has an E-range and don't really mind all this.

[Spotty]

55 minutes ago, Jack_of_all_Trades said:

If nvidia can try to pull that partnership program shit

Except that wasn't just accepted. The community shit on Nvidia for it.
Whether you are team red or team green, or whether you just buy whichever card is the most suitable for your performance requirements and your budget... You can still say that you don't agree with the things either of the company are [might be?] doing.
 

51 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

It's possible I'm misremembering but I believe there is legal president for this. I believe you can trademark a number if it's part of your brand name only.

You can definitely protect product names that use numbers, not just company/brand names. They'd have a hard time arguing if a completely unrelated product tried using those product names, like the Sunbeam 911 Toaster would probably be fine (as long as they don't have a picture of a sports car or Porsche badge printed on it that might mislead customers in to thinking it was an officially licensed Porsche 911 product)...
However, if a direct competitor used that product name? The BMW 911 sports car? The Chevrolet F-150 Pick Up truck? They would definitely have grounds to take them to court over using the name, even if the product name is just a series of letters or numbers.

It really comes down to arguing how recognisable that name is to the product company, and whether or not it would be misleading to consumers or would potentially do damage to the company if another company used that branding (either direct financial loss or reputation damage through things such as an inferior product using the same name). Doesn't matter whether the name is a word, letters, or a series of numbers.

 

24 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

But you know it from the PSU area that people get stuff "by brand" and that some brands are able to sell some pretty low end units for a good premium price...

Its the same in other areas as well. 

It feels sometimes like the Product is secondary to the Name and the Label on the Product...

Yeah, and like with PSUs people see "850w" on the label and think that it must be better than the product that says "550w". Cause bigger number is better, right? Same story with people who may not know a lot about graphics cards looking at the RTX 2080 and RX 3080 side by side on the shelf at Best Buy when buying a birthday present for little Timmy.

Yeah... The CPU naming thing is a bit of a stretch, but the chipset naming for X399 & B350 cannot be a coincidence. AMD knew exactly what they were doing.

[Drak3]

Even though they can't trademark numbers outright,  they can still trademark the overall naming scheme and sue AMD over it.

Just like how Ford sued Toyota over the T100, despite no longer offering a F100 for years.