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Posted · Original PosterOP

I know that Huawei has been banned in the US. I remember seeing a video that they were 'spying' on US citizens.

 

I don't want to know the other details about the ban, android etc... I just want to know exactly what they have alleged to have done and why it is so bad?

 

Also, why only the US?


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afaik they did literally nothing proven. Not like the USA, that actually spied on the whole EU for example, but who cares.


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It had connections to the Chinese Government during a international commerce crises between US and China... tough luck.


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4 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

It had connections to the Chinese Government during a international commerce crises between US and China... tough luck.

Almost all large companies in China have at least some connection to the CCP


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The founder is a top communist party member.

 

About spying, i really curious about that also, there's nothing concrete in the explanation.

Could this be just another "weapon of mass destructions" bullshit scenarios?

 

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6 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Almost all large companies in China have at least some connection to the CCP

Yes but most also don't have private data from millions of people at easy access xd...


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They haven't done anything. It's not about what they have or haven't done, and entirely about what they could do. 5G transmits more information than 4G, not just in bandwidth, but also just user data etc. So, if they're permitted to set up 5G networks with their hardware, they'll have this data. That alone isn't the worrying part. They've said they won't collect it, and sure, right now that could very well be the case. However, upon the behest of the Chinese government, they could be told to hand over such information. Chinese companies, unlike companies of other nations, don't refuse such requests, they simply comply. That's where the issues are. It's not only the US. Several other countries have also banned their 5G networking devices.

 

13 minutes ago, FloRolf said:

afaik they did literally nothing proven. Not like the USA, that actually spied on the whole EU for example, but who cares.

Well it's the US making the claims, and implementing the bans. Why would they care if they'd spied as well?

12 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

It had connections to the Chinese Government during a international commerce crises between US and China... tough luck.

Not quite, but I'm sure it also plays a small part.

3 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

The founder is a top communist party member.

 

About spying, i really curious about that also, there's nothing concrete in the explanation.

Could this be just another "weapon of mass destructions" bullshit scenarios?

 

Not really. There's no oil to be gained here ;)


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they were chinese and they supply telecom and a lot of mobile products. 

 

if there were located anywhere but China, then they would be fine. but since they are in china they were blacklisted. 

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14 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Yes but most also don't have private data from millions of people at easy access xd...

This is... true but the same is true of Apple or Samsung, which happen to be not Chinese.


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They didn't do anything. They've been banned on the premise of "but what if they DID do something?"

 

This is mostly just part of the trade war between US and China, but some of the paranoia has followed into other countries.


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Why only in the US? Because they are the only ones that have a problem with China and can't forbid us from buying X products

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I can justify this if the US has some proof like found an odd chip that can be programmed remotely to gather information.

 

24 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Not really. There's no oil to be gained here ;)

Really? Cisco and Apple think otherwise.

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Thanks for all the post so far, however from my understanding on the basis of all the posts, they only thing they done is... be Chinese?

 

I still don't understand. The UK has since banned them too. Sure, these superpower countries don't want people's data to get 'viewed' by China for whatever purpose. I get that... But i imagine there are tons of Chinese tech companies that have a similar relationship with similar data. Hell, I bet there even other smaller Chinese phone brands that haven't had their Android status stripped and the ability to trade with anyone in the US.

 

It doesn't make sense imo.

 

 

 

 

 


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Just now, TheBritishVillain said:

Thanks for all the post so far, however from my understanding on the basis of all the posts, they only thing they done is... be Chinese?

 

I still don't understand. The UK has since banned them too. Sure, these superpower countries don't want people's data to get 'viewed' by China for whatever purpose. I get that... But i imagine there are tons of Chinese tech companies that have a similar relationship with similar data. Hell, I bet there even other smaller Chinese phone brands that haven't had their Android status stripped and the ability to trade with anyone in the US.

 

It doesn't make sense imo.

It's not because of their race, but because of what they do/don't do in terms of IP theft, etc. It's not seen as a problem over there. So, to protect other companies interests, the spying has to be reduced. China strives to become the "best" country in the world, and they have no issues with doing shady, misleading or downright inhuman things to have that become a reality.

 

You're looking at it from the aspect of the handset market, and that's simply incorrect. The reason Huawei got targeted is their 5G infrastructure, not their cell phones.


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1 minute ago, TheBritishVillain said:

It doesn't make sense imo.

There's a lot of hate towards China. It doesn't make sense if you're a reasonable person, but if you're someone who just wants to screw over China and forward your political movement then it does.


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3 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

they only thing they done is... be Chinese?

more or less yes. 

4 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

I still don't understand. The UK has since banned them too

that was for goverment officials and telecom afaik. they essentially fell under the pressure of US. a lot of nations got pressured, but didnt ban Huawei as there was no reason to.

5 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

It doesn't make sense imo.

it does if you are the US and really dont want China to have any grip in your market. 

6 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

But i imagine there are tons of Chinese tech companies that have a similar relationship with similar data.

the thing is, practically any company under govermental rule must comply if the state asks hard enough, regardless of what laws may be in place of that. both China and the US are a little more liberal on that part, as in its easier to force a company to comply. its for this reason why the US dont want anything to do with Huawei. even if Huawei doesnt want to, during an emergency the chinese goverment can effectivly do whatever, same applies to the US and Many other countries. 

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52 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

There's a lot of hate towards China. It doesn't make sense if you're a reasonable person, but if you're someone who just wants to screw over China and forward your political movement then it does.

Ehhhh I dno about that. There are a lot of things China does that are pretty despicable. Some of it's a difference in culture, some of it is just plain inhuman.


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10 minutes ago, dizmo said:

There are a lot of things China does that are pretty despicable. Some of it's a difference in culture, some of it is just plane inhuman.

Like what? The worst thing to come out of China from what i have heard is long working hours and pollution.


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23 minutes ago, TheBritishVillain said:

Thanks for all the post so far, however from my understanding on the basis of all the posts, they only thing they done is... be Chinese?

 

I still don't understand. The UK has since banned them too. Sure, these superpower countries don't want people's data to get 'viewed' by China for whatever purpose. I get that... But i imagine there are tons of Chinese tech companies that have a similar relationship with similar data. Hell, I bet there even other smaller Chinese phone brands that haven't had their Android status stripped and the ability to trade with anyone in the US.

 

It doesn't make sense imo.

It's mostly a political move. The Chinese government isn't exactly the friendliest one despite appearances. While the government may or may not be using Huawei equipment to spy on someone, if the government compels them to do it, the allegation is Huawei will comply. Especially considering its founder was deputy director for the PLA's engineering corp. You could argue that the US has done similar things what with the Snowden leaks and all, but recently China's been rather aggressive in its region of the world and likes to bully entities outside of the country who try to say things that they don't agree with:

The two things that stand out to me the video above talks about are:

  • China is telling companies that do business in there to stop treating Taiwan as a separate state. If said companies don't, the Chinese government starts a propaganda campaign to boycott those companies in the country.
  • China also has a propaganda campaign going on telling the people that the contested SE Asian islands are China's. They talk about an incident where Chinese tourists in Vietnam were wearing shirts that said those islands were China and the Vietnamese customs left basically a "fuck you" on their passport since part of the territory China is claiming Vietnam also claims is theirs
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I don't listen to politicians.

 

Reality, our Government probably wanted information, back doors, something on their product.

 

Wouldn't comply

 

Got denied from our Country.


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Partly because the Communist party introduced a new law stating that all Chinese companies must aid the state when requested, such as aid intelligence gathering. There is no evidence, or even suggestion, Huawei have done anything wrong. But if the Chinese security services were to make a request, Huawei wouldn't be allowed to say no. 

 

Plus the escalating trade war...

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I know that the Android thing is the most visible to us consumers, but keep in mind that Huawei makes a ton of telecom gear. When you see a cell tower with a bunch of equipment dangling from the top, most of that is made by either ZTE or Huawei. That kind of infrastructure is a government interest even if it's all privatized equipment, and the upcoming 5G deployment is a prime moment for supply chain attacks to gain ground. 

IMO it is the case that Huawei hasn't done anything wrong, but I can understand our government wanting its infrastructure to have a little as influence from the CCP as possible. 


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2 hours ago, dizmo said:

Ehhhh I dno about that. There are a lot of things China does that are pretty despicable. Some of it's a difference in culture, some of it is just plain inhuman.

I'm not saying China is innocent. When I said "it doesn't make sense" I meant specifically banning all business with Huawei, not hate towards China. But this is more displaced anger.


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