Pair of AMD Navi GPU's to be shown at Computex

[MeatFeastMan]

https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/130772-sapphire-amd-will-unveil-two-navi-skus-monday-computex/

 

Sapphire have reportedly said in interviews to the chinese press that AMD will show off two gpu's at computex, aimed at competing with the 2060 and 2070.

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• Navi Pro product

o   Costs US$399

o   Performs somewhere between GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 levels.

• Navi XT product

o   Costs US$499

o   Performs "stronger than RTX 2070"

One of them reportedly said the word 'toxic', and said it was watercooled:

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In particular "work on a 'Toxic' version of Navi is complete, and it is watercooled," said one of the reps

 

So, if this is true then Navi looks like a mixed bag. First, the bad news.The watercooled version will probably be the XT model. The question is whether that means it consumes loads of power or whether it is at least lower than 200w tdp, and they've instead given it watercooling in case users wanted to stretch it's legs. Considering they said it was 'toxic', it doesn't sound too good. It could be the cooler design having a toxic theme though, so not sure how to interpret that. However...

 

The good news is the performance. The XT card being stronger than the 2070 is better than expected, so that fits in with what we've heard previously in some leaks. That is a great sign that 'big' Navi or whatever ends up coming in 2020 will likely match the 2080ti, if not outperform it. The bad side of that is that it might not be Navi slaying the 2080ti by the sounds of things. That points to a late 2020 release rather than early 2020 as we'd been expecting.

 

Onto more bad news, the price is a major issue here. Once again AMD are only managing to slightly beat Nvidia on price and performance, while still being behind in efficiency (Although I'm sure the gap will have closed). The other issue is that they say it DOES NOT include ray tracing in games, meaning that Navi may not be the winner we all wanted it to be.

 

My opinion on this as a whole is...some good, some bad. But at least it's better than how Vega launched. It's not a total failure and it has met expectations, other than possibly power consumption if we read anything into the watercooler. The XT model could either be a  sub-200w card with a watercooler as a bonus to push it really hard, or..it could be a power hungry disaster. Let's hope it's the former.

 

 

[MeatFeastMan]

2 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

they most definitely can't call them 3080/3070 now. that'll attract comparisons to the 2080 and 2070 ._.

 

EDIT: hang on, Computex? o_o what about Next Gaming Horizon at E3? o_o

Yes, computex. Maybe the plan is to release these two at computex, and then the smaller ones at E3. No idea.

[porina]

It's unclear to me, are these two separate GPUs, or the same GPU operating at different speeds? 

 

My concern is the 2070 performance comparison on the higher card. We have had that ball park performance since Vega 64, and the pricing doesn't sound much different either.

[RejZoR]

Yeah, but Vega was what, a $699 product? This clearly isn't. Looking forward to see how they'll perform.

[boey]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Next Monday is the keynote.  Everything is allegedly coming out Q3.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_64-core_epyc_clock_speeds_leaked_-_the_power_of_rome/1?fbclid=IwAR2G6I-1gvAO1k-tJ5qTDQHHZubNbmaPC7GME7P82g4JMl1byjb6il6hDHY  @MeatFeastMan another source btw.

The website OP linked says it'll all be out on 7/7

[Firewrath9]

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 
SAPPHIRE TOXIC IS BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

 

sadly its not another HD 4870.

 

anyways, with performance ~2060-2070, and prices close to them, I'm pretty sure the leaks were absoulute BS

Can't wait for Zen 2, 8c16t at 4.5ghz @ ~300-400$ is my hope.

[leadeater]

35 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Considering they said it was 'toxic', it doesn't sound too good. It could be the cooler design having a toxic theme though, so not sure how to interpret that.

Sapphire Toxic is just a product naming used like any other GPU brand does for Windforce or STRIX etc.

[porina]

5 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Yeah, but Vega was what, a $699 product? This clearly isn't. Looking forward to see how they'll perform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_RX_Vega_series

Not the best resource but it lists $499 at launch for Vega 64, $699 for the water cooled version. I think this was around the time of the onset of mining being a big thing, so supplies were limited and that pushed pricing right up, somewhat offset for gamers by game bundling.

 

So, possibly similar pricing and performance to something we had almost 2 years ago. Let's see if they at least did something with power.

[Guest]

500? so the aorus will be 650 euro max i guess... damn you ... there goes my dream of saving 600 euro's and buy a pair of 2070 contenders for 300 each

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

The leaks from the big 4 aka Adored/RedTech/Video-Cardz/Shittech are usually wrong as I keep pointing out.  But, nobody ever wants to believe me.

I have a recycled meme for this 

 

[Neftex]

6 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY 
SAPPHIRE TOXIC IS BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

 

sadly its not another HD 4870.

 

anyways, with performance ~2060-2070, and prices close to them, I'm pretty sure the leaks were absoulute BS

Can't wait for Zen 2, 8c16t at 4.5ghz @ ~300-400$ is my hope.

 

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

The leaks from the big 4 aka Adored/RedTech/Video-Cardz/Shittech are usually wrong as I keep pointing out.  But, nobody ever wants to believe me.

 

id like to point out, this is just another leak, could be just as wrong as your "big 4". i wasnt able to find any original statement confirming this so

[Jurrunio]

39 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

So, if this is true then Navi looks like a mixed bag. First, the bad news.The watercooled version will probably be the XT model. The question is whether that means it consumes loads of power or whether it is at least lower than 200w tdp, and they've instead given it watercooling in case users wanted to stretch it's legs. Considering they said it was 'toxic', it doesn't sound too good. It could be the cooler design having a toxic theme though, so not sure how to interpret that. However...

Toxic is Sapphire's flagship model, even higher up in the naming scheme than the nitro+ limited edition name. Back in the days it is Sapphire's "designed when under the influence" card, like the GTX 750Ti Hall of Fame from Galax/KFA2.

[Neftex]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

See the above.

what am i supposed to see?

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Radeon V and Radeon VI?

Actually, I could see that happening. It wouldn't be the worst name they could give them...

[Neftex]

@valdyrgramr

so how is that fancy image confirming this exactly?

 

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• Navi Pro product
  • Costs US$399
  • Performs somewhere between GeForce RTX 2060 and RTX 2070 levels.

• Navi XT product
  • Costs US$499
  • Performs "stronger than RTX 2070"

 

[NumLock21]

Just want to point out Toxic is a line up use by Sapphire. I think it's their top end, but i could be wrong about it.

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Just want to point out Toxic is a line up use by Sapphire. I think it's their top end, but i could be wrong about it.

[CiBi]

Shame cause I don't really want an RTX 2070 at RTX 2070 prices...

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

I'm talking about the release time.  It says q3.

Could be like that X570 Taichi box, here is the cooler, here is a GPU package, in another quarter we'll get around to putting them together.

[Neftex]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

I'm talking about the release time.  It says q3.

and im talking about you shitting on the big 4 saying their leaks are bad, while you blindly trust another unconfirmed leak from someone else. just because it fits your agenda. nothing has been confirmed yet

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, CiBi said:

Shame cause I don't really want an RTX 2070 at RTX 2070 prices...

Cheapest 2070 is asus strix at $450

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Video Card: Asus - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB STRIX GAMING Video Card  ($449.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $449.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-21 07:12 EDT-0400

 

other brands are in the same range $450 to $480

 

 

 

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, Neftex said:

and im talking about you shitting on the big 4 saying their leaks are bad, while you blindly trust another unconfirmed leak from someone else. just because it fits your agenda. nothing has been confirmed yet

That's an official AMD slide.

https://amd.onlineshareholdermeeting.com/vsm/web?pvskey=AMD19

 

Play from 24:38 ish to start just before Lisa Su says Q3.

[Neftex]

4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Damn, you're salty.  I literally linked a picture proving the big 4 wrong which was from an AMD shareholder meeting.  This thread is what a rep from Sapphire said.  The other 4 just claims their uncle works at Nintendo, but they can't give names even if Lisa doesn't care. 

im not salty at all, im not saying the big 4 is right. im saying this leak could be just as wrong as others but you blindly believe it because it fits what youre saying

 

@leadeater thats not my point, read above

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, Neftex said:

@leadeater thats not my point, read above

Well it pretty much is your point, you raised the accusation of blind trust when the information provided to you was official information. Unless AMD is lying it's correct information and we should trust it.

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Apparently Sapphire can't be trusted either.

tbh I had never heard of this delayed till October rumor before, I don't watch or read any of those 'big 4' so I'm a bit blind to most 'rumors'.