Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
Sign in to follow this  
joshualowe1002

Intel, Qualcomm and other chipmakers cut off Huawei supplies

Recommended Posts

19 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

While I do agree, you saying I am foaming at the mouth would fall under that manner of argument.

But of course - I am very hypocritical 馃槈.

Quote

I still think you are absurdly wrong about how the US has changed. We were a vastly different society with vastly different beliefs and vastly different ideals and goals in the 1800's.

On a more serious note.

I would postulate聽that the聽beliefs and ideology of a people are not what influences what their nation wants to achieve (in terms of goals and whatnot) - the physical circumstances of the people/nation are what dictates their聽expression of government, religions, and beliefs.

  • The Anglo-American nations (along with Australia/NZ as well) are loosely centralized settler-states聽because they settled on (comparatively) productive lands with no dominant ethnicity. We currently see that manifest as a multi-layer "democracy" (interpret that聽term as loosely as you will).
  • China (any time it is "unified" in any fashion)聽will almost聽always聽be some form of authoritarian state due to the difficulties of tying together a disparate population of wildly differing geographies (and ethnicities, although Han assimilation has mostly taken care of that).
  • etc.
Quote

Some of them, I think we should go back to. We should be focusing more on ourselves and less on the rest of the world. More on self reliance and less on global trade. Maybe trade with Central and South America at most.

Already there. Less 10% of the American economy is dependent on global trade (as exports; state-by-state statistical fluctuations notwithstanding), and almost more than half is done聽within the borders of NAFTA and CAFTA (Central America).聽

Quote

I'm certain those nations would JUMP at the chance to replace China in terms of taking over manufacturing for us. Although I could also say "why not bring manufacturing back to the US?".

You do realize that's already happening? South-East-Asia will likely replace (or rather, are already replacing) China as the primary source of cheap production. American firms reshoring production back to the states will occur as a mere byproduct of trade uncertainties (co-location to the consumer base, less worry of a tweet shutting off one of your supply chains, etc. etc). Whether that will bring manufacturing jobs with it is an entirely different issue (automation kills operator/technician-tier聽factory jobs).

Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Because China is totally innocent and in no way hell bent on world domination, as communists always are.

Fuck that. Fuck the Chinese government, fuck communism, and fuck Huawei.

That is so laughable I'm not sure where to start. Seriously, read a history book.

D62CBDFE-6866-4411-A5FA-6688B1CD4FDE.jpeg.7b0966b8d9af67da829044a084662f5a.jpeg

China vs USA the reality. Just as corrupt and as bad as each other when it comes to this.聽Although we should not talk politics!聽

IMO US has much more to lose, and this is just part of the Trade War.

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

But of course - I am very hypocritical 馃槈.

On a more serious note.

I would postulate聽that the聽beliefs and ideology of a people are not what influences what their nation wants to achieve (in terms of goals and whatnot) - the physical circumstances of the people/nation are what dictates their聽expression of government, religions, and beliefs.

  • The Anglo-American nations (along with Australia/NZ as well) are loosely centralized settler-states聽because they settled on (comparatively) productive lands with no dominant ethnicity. We currently see that manifest as a multi-layer "democracy" (interpret that聽term as loosely as you will).
  • China (any time it is "unified" in any fashion)聽will almost聽always聽be some form of authoritarian state due to the difficulties of tying together a disparate population of wildly differing geographies (and ethnicities, although Han assimilation has mostly taken care of that).
  • etc.

Already there. Less 10% of the American economy is dependent on global trade (as exports; state-by-state statistical fluctuations notwithstanding), and almost more than half is done聽within the borders of NAFTA and CAFTA (Central America).聽

You do realize that's already happening? South-East-Asia will likely replace (or rather, are already replacing) China as the primary source of cheap production. American firms reshoring production back to the states will occur as a mere byproduct of trade uncertainties (co-location to the consumer base, less worry of a tweet shutting off one of your supply chains, etc. etc). Whether that will bring manufacturing jobs with it is an entirely different issue (automation kills operator/technician-tier聽factory jobs).

You miss the point that the US, or rather the settlers, only did what almost every other people did, but much longer ago. We only have more historical records for the settling of the US, compared to all of Europe and asia.

Also I've been hearing rumblings about a lot of manufacturing eye-balling Africa instead of Asia for future expansion. I have no sources on this, but I'm not looking for them at the moment. Will have to do more research.

The point is, I want China to have FAR less global power than they do, mainly because I'd like to see a democractic movement overthrow their current government.

6 minutes ago, floofer said:

D62CBDFE-6866-4411-A5FA-6688B1CD4FDE.jpeg.7b0966b8d9af67da829044a084662f5a.jpeg

China vs USA the reality. Just as corrupt and as bad as each other when it comes to this.聽Although we should not talk politics!聽

IMO US has much more to lose, and this is just part of the Trade War.

I agree, but still. At least we maintain a somewhat false image of democracy. Hell, Trump got elected to EVERYONES surprise. Even my own. I will never forget how hard I laughed waking up to see that Hillary had lost. The only reason the machine followed through is that they knew if they didn't actually put him in power, there would likely have been an armed revolution after it exposed itself for what it is.

Meanwhile in China, there will be no more elections for "president". Comrade Pooh Bear will be "president for life", which anywhere else would just be called "king" or "dictator" or whatever term you want to use.


Computer's don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose. By now your name and particulars have been fed into every laptop, desktop, mainframe and supermarket scanner that collectively make up the global information conspiracy, otherwise known as The Beast.

You just be careful. Computers have already beaten the Communists at chess. Next thing you know, they'll be beating humans.

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

The point is, I want China to have FAR less global power than they do, mainly because I'd like to see a democractic movement overthrow their current government.

I guess that is fair. But in the history books as well they have never invaded other countries much less win any wars with others. Usually with them doing their own things. As far as communism goes they are the best of the worst and hey they are pretty much capitalist as the usa. There are advantages to communism compared to democracy depending on the government. I am fine with them having far less global power but at the same time the U.S.A. should really be dialing back their own global power as well.... But as China becomes more and more globalize and influenced by outside powers and democracy the next generation or so we might actually be getting a very different china.聽

According to those philosophers things can always start with democracy but will slowly聽devolve into communism or worst dictatorship. The thing is outside of China they are playing by the books but inside.... they play by their own laws. Truth to be told they haven't actually done anything really totally incriminating...聽"Most" of the things stolen/intellect was brought in by other countries themselves due being cheaper to manufacture in said country... But hey no one can say that other countries wouldn't do the same thing. And China got recognized thanks to the USA聽 giving them some credibility for other countries to get involved as well, a lot of the reason China became a super power is mainly due to the USA screwing themselves.... Oh well...聽聽聽聽

Link to post
Share on other sites
29 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

The point is, I want China to have FAR less global power than they do,

Rejoice - the circumstances that allowed China to grow into what it currently is, is by-and-large聽American-made. And the Americans are leaving.

The fact that the Chinese even began negotiations with the American聽positions as they are ("hey, we'd like you to do these things that will threaten your entire economic system and probably cause mass social unrest. kthxbai"), is testament to how lopsided the system is (and they know it).

Quote

mainly because I'd like to see a democractic movement overthrow their current government.

We can only hope 馃し鈥嶁檧锔

Their crackdown on anything resembling free speech is in large part preparation to deal with what's to come in the next 1-2 decades: your population can't revolt if you control what they think. At least, theoretically 馃槅.

Link to post
Share on other sites

This is important:

Google has banned Huawei from using Android Q and newer versions in their phones


I can crash a computer in 30 seconds by running a .bat file with the contents %0|%0.

I can crash a computer in 1 second by yeeting it.

I also now have about 7 GB of viruses on an autorun flash drive.

Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Schnoz said:

This is important:

Google has banned Huawei from using Android Q and newer versions in their phones

Not exactly.

They can still use the AOSP build of Android Q. They just won鈥檛 get Google certification and potentially early builds to build their own take on Android on as early as possible.


Please tag me if you need assistance or if you want me to contribute to a topic聽

ASUS RoG STRIX GL502VM

Intel Core i7 7700HQ | GeForce GTX 1060 6GB | 16GB DDR4-2133 | 128GB SanDisk M.2 SATA SSD + 1TB 7200RPM Hitachi HDD | 15.6" 1080p IPS monitor @ 60Hz w/ G-SYNC | Windows 10 64-bit

Samsung Galaxy Note8 SM-N950F

Exynos 8895 (4x Mongoose @ 2.3GHz, 4x Cortex A53 @ 1.7GHz) |聽ARM Mali G71 MP20聽| 6GB LPDDR4 | 64GB Samsung NAND flash w/ UFS 2.1 dual-lane controller + 128GB SanDisk C10 UHS-I microSD |6.3" 1440p "Infinity Display" AMOLED | Android Nougat 7.1.1 w/ Samsung Experience 8.5

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Arika S said:

.... Fucking USA, they have too much power and should be broken up. The precedent has now been set that the US can pass a law to effectively cut off foreign companies entirely when it comes to tech.聽

You only say that because Australia's top trading partner is China and geopolitical strife means vastly reduced prosperity in the land down under.聽

Half kidding

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Tech_Dreamer said:

if anyones gonna do any sort of spying, it's gonna be US!

Sorry but I kind of have to agree here: China might be scary big and powerful in the economy right now, but then there's the guys who literally have military bases on every nook and cranny around the world, metaphorically holding a gun to the head of every single other nation.

Most are just not crazy enough to object to their spying.


-------

Current Rig

-------

Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, comander said:

You only say that because Australia's top trading partner is China and geopolitical strife means vastly reduced prosperity in the land down under.聽

Not just Australia, but can you imagine if the US decided "ok, all you other countries, stop trading with china or we're going to stop all our exports to your countries" i know it's an extreme example, but that's effectively what the US has done here "we don't like china and Huawei, so no US tech company and supply any products to Huawei"

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Not just Australia, but can you imagine if the US decided "ok, all you other countries, stop trading with china or we're going to stop all our exports to your countries" i know it's an extreme example, but that's effectively what the US has done here "we don't like china and Huawei, so no US tech company and supply any products to Huawei"

I was being facetious.聽

This is certainly strong arming.聽

With that said, I do think there'd be a benefit to more open standards and third party audits from an infosec perspective.聽

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Fooshi said:

The same way the US has never toppled governments, invaded other countries for resources under the guise of "peace" and聽spied on other countries citizens.

Right?

china does the same thing they simply go about it in a more quiet way聽

1 hour ago, Trik'Stari said:

You miss the point that the US, or rather the settlers, only did what almost every other people did, but much longer ago. We only have more historical records for the settling of the US, compared to all of Europe and asia.

Also I've been hearing rumblings about a lot of manufacturing eye-balling Africa instead of Asia for future expansion. I have no sources on this, but I'm not looking for them at the moment. Will have to do more research.

The point is, I want China to have FAR less global power than they do, mainly because I'd like to see a democractic movement overthrow their current government.

I agree, but still. At least we maintain a somewhat false image of democracy. Hell, Trump got elected to EVERYONES surprise. Even my own. I will never forget how hard I laughed waking up to see that Hillary had lost. The only reason the machine followed through is that they knew if they didn't actually put him in power, there would likely have been an armed revolution after it exposed itself for what it is.

Meanwhile in China, there will be no more elections for "president". Comrade Pooh Bear will be "president for life", which anywhere else would just be called "king" or "dictator" or whatever term you want to use.

if anyone wanting to do that is reading this, just don't, the road blocks you need to face are so large and recurring that its really not worth the effort聽

1 hour ago, rawrdaysgoby said:

I guess that is fair. But in the history books as well they have never invaded other countries much less win any wars with others. Usually with them doing their own things. As far as communism goes they are the best of the worst and hey they are pretty much capitalist as the usa. There are advantages to communism compared to democracy depending on the government. I am fine with them having far less global power but at the same time the U.S.A. should really be dialing back their own global power as well.... But as China becomes more and more globalize and influenced by outside powers and democracy the next generation or so we might actually be getting a very different china.聽

According to those philosophers things can always start with democracy but will slowly聽devolve into communism or worst dictatorship. The thing is outside of China they are playing by the books but inside.... they play by their own laws. Truth to be told they haven't actually done anything really totally incriminating...聽"Most" of the things stolen/intellect was brought in by other countries themselves due being cheaper to manufacture in said country... But hey no one can say that other countries wouldn't do the same thing. And China got recognized thanks to the USA聽 giving them some credibility for other countries to get involved as well, a lot of the reason China became a super power is mainly due to the USA screwing themselves.... Oh well...聽聽聽聽

you just didn't see it, i lived in africa for a while, and while they did not invade they have the government in their hands, the amount they have stole from mozambique alone is in the thousands of container ships filled with expensive wood to the brim (they only payed for the transport), they have also stole lots of ivory, bought cheaply all the iron they could find, and much more i dont know about.

in the early days it was also very common to see chinese people running around photographing everything, with the purpose of trying to make copies to sell. they also managed to get a deal where chinese owned businesses dont pay taxes in the first 5 years (by which point they close it down and start it again), btw that also happened here in portugal which lead to the closing of most small shops in the country (all but the food related shops).

Link to post
Share on other sites

40years ago锛宼hat is TOSHIBA聽& SONY锛宯ow that is ZTE & HUAWEI锛寃ho will be the next锛 SIEMENS?聽 PHILIPS? ERICSSON? SAMSUNG? LG?

Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think this really affects them that much. I mean, for their notebooks the Intel cut off might be a bit tough to swallow. But Qualcomm? Not really. They've already started manufacturing their own chips quite a while ago, and they've been developing their own OS. They're steadily working their way to self reliance. I'd be interested to see how many people adopt their phones once they no longer use Android, and instead use their own home grown OS. I know I certainly wouldn't.

19 hours ago, Belgarathian said:

I feel so sorry for Huawei. Literally getting picked on 'cause they're the biggest kid on the block.

Interestingly I'd say all this is going to do is make sure that China develops in-house expertise in the areas they currently rely on America for so that America can't do this again.

Not really. They're being picked on because of their push of 5G infrastructure. China is already working towards complete self reliance, the China 2025 initiative. Something that worries Trump, as it'll make the US largely irrelevant to them, as well as the stolen tech implications.

19 hours ago, tinverse said:

From my understanding this has nothing to do with what US companies want to do. This has everything to do with what the US government is forcing companies to do. All of these US based companies are losing large amounts of money from this.

For me, I am really curious about the future implications of all of this. I know Huawei is more closely linked to the Chinese government than other manufacturers, but almost all phones are designed or built in china. Are you safe if you buy LG or Apple? What about ASUS;聽Taiwan is under Chinese influence too. Does this have implications for other Chinese phone manufacturers such as onePlus?

They're not targeting phones. That's a huge misconception. They're targeting Huawei because of their 5G infrastructure. None of the other companies produce 5G equipment, so they're really at 0 risk of being targeted.

18 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

AMD should be able to either sell directly or at worst walk around the ban the same way they are selling EPYC CPUs to China.聽

It all depends if AMD ends up having to honour the ban.

AMD isn't affected because they don't sell anything to Huawei. If they did, it'd be a different story. It's any US company, not specific ones.

18 hours ago, Arika S said:

.... Fucking USA, they have too much power and should be broken up. The precedent has now been set that the US can pass a law to effectively cut off foreign companies entirely when it comes to tech.聽

Those companies could simply move their offices offshore if it really bothered them that much. I imagine they stand more to lose than they do to gain, so they won't.

16 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Sorry but I kind of have to agree here: China might be scary big and powerful in the economy right now, but then there's the guys who literally have military bases on every nook and cranny around the world, metaphorically holding a gun to the head of every single other nation.

Most are just not crazy enough to object to their spying.

Eh, you say that now, end of the second world war those bases were there for protection of everyone else. Like it or not, without the US the world would be a very different place than it is today. Sure, the US is powerful, but I'd much rather them be in power than China. At least the US government can be affected by the views of the people it rules. Same can't be said for China.


Current PC:

Spoiler

*WORK IN PROGRESS*

Mothballed PC:

Spoiler

CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970

PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX

Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

Link to post
Share on other sites

well this is kinda how to survive with competition everywhere so kinda make sense.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

AMD isn't affected because they don't sell anything to Huawei. If they did, it'd be a different story. It's any US company, not specific ones.

yeah i know its any US company. which means they can walk around it using their shell company in China. which they specifically use to sell EPYC CPUs to china.聽

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

yeah i know its any US company. which means they can walk around it using their shell company in China. which they specifically use to sell EPYC CPUs to china.聽

That's actually not what they did, as that's illegal, but ok.


Current PC:

Spoiler

*WORK IN PROGRESS*

Mothballed PC:

Spoiler

CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970

PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX

Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/07/china-producing-x86-chips-nearly-identical-to-amd-server-processors/

reffering to this old piece of news. its a "shell" company, not the best term to be used.聽

I see joint venture, and the fact it's an embedded chip, not an actual CPU being sold. Nothing about a shell company. Perhaps you don't know what a shell company is?


Current PC:

Spoiler

*WORK IN PROGRESS*

Mothballed PC:

Spoiler

CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970

PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX

Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red

Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Eh, you say that now, end of the second world war those bases were there for protection of everyone else. Like it or not, without the US the world would be a very different place than it is today. Sure, the US is powerful, but I'd much rather them be in power than China. At least the US government can be affected by the views of the people it rules. Same can't be said for China.

You mean protection from the USSR, "the focus of evil in the world"? Yeah I know this was the birth of the red panic and the cold war, it's still a war, it's still not something that justified the escalation of the militarization other than "Because we can because we won WWII and also, evil commies"

It wasn't justification for the Russians either to build their military and also wasn't for the US to build up theirs in some sort of twisted preemptive defense by threatening. Both nations were just fucking imperialists assholes after the war.


-------

Current Rig

-------

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Perhaps you don't know what a shell company is?

i do know what it is, but its a whole lot shorter to say shell company than to explain that situation right there.聽

17 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I see joint venture, and the fact it's an embedded chip, not an actual CPU being sold.

ah, so not something that could be used for Huawei then.聽

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this