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Intel, Qualcomm and other chipmakers cut off Huawei supplies

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That's incredibly dumb. The US hasn't changed since the days of the Vietnam war

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Just imagine for a minute a Chinese or European company would do this to a US based one.

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I feel so sorry for Huawei. Literally getting picked on 'cause they're the biggest kid on the block.

 

Interestingly I'd say all this is going to do is make sure that China develops in-house expertise in the areas they currently rely on America for so that America can't do this again.

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17 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

That's incredibly dumb. The US hasn't changed since the days of the Vietnam war

Since the 1800's ;).

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Teddy07 said:

Just imagine for a minute a Chinese or European company would do this to a US based one.

From my understanding this has nothing to do with what US companies want to do. This has everything to do with what the US government is forcing companies to do. All of these US based companies are losing large amounts of money from this.

 

For me, I am really curious about the future implications of all of this. I know Huawei is more closely linked to the Chinese government than other manufacturers, but almost all phones are designed or built in china. Are you safe if you buy LG or Apple? What about ASUS; Taiwan is under Chinese influence too. Does this have implications for other Chinese phone manufacturers such as onePlus?

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18 minutes ago, tinverse said:

Does this have implications for other Chinese phone manufacturers such as onePlus?

Depends how far the Chinese side is willing to drag it's feet, and how annoyed (and vindictive) Lighthizer & Bolton end up feeling.

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14 minutes ago, tinverse said:

 

From my understanding this has nothing to do with what US companies want to do. This has everything to do with what the US government is forcing companies to do. All of these US based companies are losing large amounts of money from this.

 

For me, I am really curious about the future implications of all of this. I know Huawei is more closely linked to the Chinese government than other manufacturers, but almost all phones are designed or built in china. Are you safe if you buy LG or Apple? What about ASUS; Taiwan is under Chinese influence too. Does this have implications for other Chinese phone manufacturers such as onePlus?

We already have a phrase to deal with the implications. "On-shoring".  China actually isn't a low-cost manufacturer anymore, but because the Financial factions sold out their countries to make a buck, huge amounts of manufacturing is currently in China. It can all be done elsewhere. That's the reality of the matter. It is also why China can't really defend against the approach the US is taking.

 

China, however, is a big market for some products, so it'll have internal demand that can support its own manufacturers. What will see is a slow procession of companies with multiple manufacturing locations. 

 

As for Taiwan, it'll continue to exist where it exists because they have deep ties to the US Tech & US Military Tech industries. The end result of most of these dust ups is positive for Taiwan and the countries around China, just not China. 

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AMD should be able to either sell directly or at worst walk around the ban the same way they are selling EPYC CPUs to China. 

 

It all depends if AMD ends up having to honour the ban.

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6 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

AMD should be able to either sell directly or at worst walk around the ban the same way they are selling EPYC CPUs to China. 

 

It all depends if AMD ends up having to honour the ban.

On the server CPU front, I doubt there'll be an issue. Orders can be done via cutouts practically anywhere. Qualcomm might be a different issue, though, considering the relative volume of parts that are needed, thus it would be fairly easy to track the cutout used.

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2 hours ago, Teddy07 said:

America is once again a bully

Because China is totally innocent and in no way hell bent on world domination, as communists always are.

 

Fuck that. Fuck the Chinese government, fuck communism, and fuck Huawei.

 

1 hour ago, thorhammerz said:

Since the 1800's ;).

That is so laughable I'm not sure where to start. Seriously, read a history book.

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3 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

That is so laughable I'm not sure where to start. Seriously, read a history book.

Do you believe the base nature of humans (and by extension, the nations that they form) have changed in the course of a couple hundred years? 

 

Pretentious delusions are merely just that.

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4 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

Do you believe the base nature of humans (and by extension, the nations that they form) have changed in the course of a couple hundred years? 

 

Pretentious delusions are merely just that.

No they haven't. That being said, the nature of humanity isn't just one overarching subset of behaviors Nor has it ever been. The very basis of your assumption is inherently deeply flawed.

 

The US has changed in enormous ways since the 1800's. Some ways for the better, some, not so much. Stop listening to what your college professors or some idiotic marxist lefist faux intellectual on social media is telling you and go actually read some history books.

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The US has changed in enormous ways since the 1800's. Some ways for the better, some, not so much.

Nation-states operating for their own interests remain the same ?.

Just now, Trik'Stari said:

Stop listening to what your college professors or some idiotic marxist lefist faux intellectual on social media is telling you and go actually read some history books.

What on earth are you even talking about?

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The rabid-like foam on your mouth is showing, do take care to clean it up.

 

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Inb4, Huawei rebrand itself to bypass all this crap they're going through at the moment.

 

But quite frankly, there's plenty of perfectly good alternatives out there, they don't need Qualcomm or Intel and the likes. China is basically the land of copyright infringement and copycats, if they don't just make their own chips, they'll just get them from the many Chinese fabs out there.

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.... Fucking USA, they have too much power and should be broken up. The precedent has now been set that the US can pass a law to effectively cut off foreign companies entirely when it comes to tech. 

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2 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

Nation-states operating for their own interests remain the same ?.

What on earth are you even talking about?

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The rabid-like foam on your mouth is showing, do take care to clean it up.

 

How else do you expect nation states to operate? The point of any tribe is to operate in the best interests of the members of the tribe.

 

What has changed, is that the people running the tribe now operate in the best interest of themselves and continuing the power they have stolen under false pretenses.

 

And forgive me, I tend to get very passionate when someone is showing blatant ignorance under the guise of comedy.

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3 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

How else do you expect nation states to operate? The point of any tribe is to operate in the best interests of the members of the tribe.

 

What has changed, is that the people running the tribe now operate in the best interest of themselves and continuing the power they have stolen under false pretenses.

I am pleased to see we are (almost) on the same page ?.

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And forgive me, I tend to get very passionate when someone is showing blatant ignorance under the guise of comedy.

Ad hominems are the realm of those without an argument to begin with, no need to ask for forgiveness ?.

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Just now, thorhammerz said:

I am pleased to see we are (almost) on the same page ?.

Ad hominems are the realm of those without an argument to begin with, no need to ask for forgiveness ?.

While I do agree, you saying I am foaming at the mouth would fall under that manner of argument.

 

I still think you are absurdly wrong about how the US has changed. We were a vastly different society with vastly different beliefs and vastly different ideals and goals in the 1800's.

 

Some of them, I think we should go back to. We should be focusing more on ourselves and less on the rest of the world. More on self reliance and less on global trade. Maybe trade with Central and South America at most.

 

I'm certain those nations would JUMP at the chance to replace China in terms of taking over manufacturing for us. Although I could also say "why not bring manufacturing back to the US?".

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The same way the US has never toppled governments, invaded other countries for resources under the guise of "peace" and spied on other countries citizens.

 

Right?

A fair point. I'd still trust my government FAR more than the Chinese government, or any communist government for that matter.

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19 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

While I do agree, you saying I am foaming at the mouth would fall under that manner of argument.

But of course - I am very hypocritical ?.

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I still think you are absurdly wrong about how the US has changed. We were a vastly different society with vastly different beliefs and vastly different ideals and goals in the 1800's.

On a more serious note.

 

I would postulate that the beliefs and ideology of a people are not what influences what their nation wants to achieve (in terms of goals and whatnot) - the physical circumstances of the people/nation are what dictates their expression of government, religions, and beliefs.

  • The Anglo-American nations (along with Australia/NZ as well) are loosely centralized settler-states because they settled on (comparatively) productive lands with no dominant ethnicity. We currently see that manifest as a multi-layer "democracy" (interpret that term as loosely as you will).
  • China (any time it is "unified" in any fashion) will almost always be some form of authoritarian state due to the difficulties of tying together a disparate population of wildly differing geographies (and ethnicities, although Han assimilation has mostly taken care of that).
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Some of them, I think we should go back to. We should be focusing more on ourselves and less on the rest of the world. More on self reliance and less on global trade. Maybe trade with Central and South America at most.

Already there. Less 10% of the American economy is dependent on global trade (as exports; state-by-state statistical fluctuations notwithstanding), and almost more than half is done within the borders of NAFTA and CAFTA (Central America). 

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I'm certain those nations would JUMP at the chance to replace China in terms of taking over manufacturing for us. Although I could also say "why not bring manufacturing back to the US?".

You do realize that's already happening? South-East-Asia will likely replace (or rather, are already replacing) China as the primary source of cheap production. American firms reshoring production back to the states will occur as a mere byproduct of trade uncertainties (co-location to the consumer base, less worry of a tweet shutting off one of your supply chains, etc. etc). Whether that will bring manufacturing jobs with it is an entirely different issue (automation kills operator/technician-tier factory jobs).

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37 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Because China is totally innocent and in no way hell bent on world domination, as communists always are.

 

Fuck that. Fuck the Chinese government, fuck communism, and fuck Huawei.

 

That is so laughable I'm not sure where to start. Seriously, read a history book.

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China vs USA the reality. Just as corrupt and as bad as each other when it comes to this. Although we should not talk politics! 

 

IMO US has much more to lose, and this is just part of the Trade War.

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