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AIO vs lots of fans+aircooler

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High end air coolers with good case air flow will produce slightly (like 3-5c) better temperatures. An AIO is easier since you just slap it in any case that will take it, but the pumps generally last 3-5 years. 

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Depends entirely on the setup, there's like thousands of cpu coolers out there you can't just blanket statement which is better.

 

AIO's are great in space constrained builds since you aren't mounting the radiator on top of the cpu. AIO's also tend to look far more tidy provided you don't puke cables everywhere.

 

Air cooling is 9/10 times more cost effective for the same performance and significantly more reliable.

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25 minutes ago, Sorenson said:

High end air coolers with good case air flow will produce slightly (like 3-5c) better temperatures. An AIO is easier since you just slap it in any case that will take it, but the pumps generally last 3-5 years. 

Thats not true many AIO pumps are rated for 100,000 hours which is close to 11 and a half years of continuous use


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22 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Thats not true many AIO pumps are rated for 100,000 hours which is close to 11 and a half years of continuous use

I’ve had 2 corsair h100i’s crap out on me in under a year. So while many may be rated for “100,000” of continuous use, that has not been my experience. i based the 3-5 years off of what hardware unboxed and various other reviewers have said about AIO longevity. 

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Air coolers almost beat AIOs at any price level and noise level. And air coolers are much much more reliable. I had one shitty corsair AIO failed less than a month ago. My AIO has been working for maybe 4 to 5 years which is probably considered very reliable among AIOs. But it still fails eventually. On the other hand, air cooler almost never fails. I think only custom build water loop can beat high end air coolers.

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Depends the cpus heat which one would be better,A 2700x the stock cooler runs 10 degrees hotter then a 240/280 aio does on it.A intel hitting 5ghz is hot and needs a lot of cooling.That a aio could come into play.But for the price of a aio you almost can custom loop the cpu.And a custom loop can out cool any aio on the market.

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So I have a story on this. My teenager just had a bday and he wanted a new RGB case with mouse/keyboard also RGB.

 

I let him pick out a case, but the problem was it only supported the 240mm h220x he was using in the front. He also went from a full to mid tower. It all installed but wasn't happy with the fans on the front and also with the tubing length. I had a DH-14 sitting around so I tossed it in.

 

I did try a 30 min stress test on both. The DH-14 was only about 2-3c warmer than the 240mm swiftech setup. Now this could have been because the swiftech was air starved.

 

Anyways the noctua cooler is quieter than the pump on the h220x was (bubbles kept getting sucked in to pump from the front mount orientation)

 

Anyways my point is that an AIO can have a slight temp lead, but the real gains are on the custom loop side. 

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On 5/20/2019 at 3:48 AM, andrewmp6 said:

Depends the cpus heat which one would be better,A 2700x the stock cooler runs 10 degrees hotter then a 240/280 aio does on it.A intel hitting 5ghz is hot and needs a lot of cooling.That a aio could come into play.But for the price of a aio you almost can custom loop the cpu.And a custom loop can out cool any aio on the market.

I can get a good 240mm AIO for 100-150 all day.

 

So unless you mean cheap Chinese knockoff products it isn't possible to build a decent custom loop for that.

 

D5 pump/res combo- 150 - 180

CPU block - 100-120

GPU block - 150-180

Rad - 60 -120 (size, quality) 240mm +

Tubing 20 - 30

Fittings 50 - 100

Fans 10-25 PER

 

So if we just want a pump/res, CPU block, cheap res, tubing, and fittings...

Then 350-400 is what you should expect to be paying.

 

Which is why I think custom loops on just a CPU are a waste. Toss on another 250 or so and cool the whole system. I always tell people to expect to spend 600-700 on a custom loop.

 

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As for those CHEAP CHINESE KNOCKOFFS

 

You mean rebranded in the states and price tripled.

 

Building my second Aliexpress loop (everythings in the mail) of mixed metals and awesome savings.

 

Let me know if you guys want me to saw open my other Aliexpress loop and show you how there is no corrosion and the products are the same lol.  I was planning on doing it 10 more months from now on a video but after 2 months, the way everyone talks, my loop would have melted by now ;) (its been running 24/7 for 2+ months now or so)

 

Loops are not expensive.  Buying Peace of Mind and not doing your own research is expensive.  Id rather research, and use my brain and save 2/3rds the price.

 

My last custom loop on a CPU and GPU with dual rads in push pull cost me $65.  This one is going with triple rads so its in total costing me like $76.  Will be $100 total once I buy "cheap Chinese knockoff SP fans" for 1/3rd the price but same/same performance.


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10 hours ago, AngryBeaver said:

I can get a good 240mm AIO for 100-150 all day.

 

So unless you mean cheap Chinese knockoff products it isn't possible to build a decent custom loop for that.

 

D5 pump/res combo- 150 - 180

CPU block - 100-120

GPU block - 150-180

Rad - 60 -120 (size, quality) 240mm +

Tubing 20 - 30

Fittings 50 - 100

Fans 10-25 PER

 

So if we just want a pump/res, CPU block, cheap res, tubing, and fittings...

Then 350-400 is what you should expect to be paying.

 

Which is why I think custom loops on just a CPU are a waste. Toss on another 250 or so and cool the whole system. I always tell people to expect to spend 600-700 on a custom loop.

 

I have seen a whole loop cpu gpu and dual 360s built for under 400 with barrow brand parts.Its ran for 7 months now zero problems

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6 hours ago, andrewmp6 said:

I have seen a whole loop cpu gpu and dual 360s built for under 400 with barrow brand parts.Its ran for 7 months now zero problems

Maybe if you are mixing metals.

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16 hours ago, Tristerin said:

As for those CHEAP CHINESE KNOCKOFFS

 

You mean rebranded in the states and price tripled.

 

Building my second Aliexpress loop (everythings in the mail) of mixed metals and awesome savings.

 

Let me know if you guys want me to saw open my other Aliexpress loop and show you how there is no corrosion and the products are the same lol.  I was planning on doing it 10 more months from now on a video but after 2 months, the way everyone talks, my loop would have melted by now ;) (its been running 24/7 for 2+ months now or so)

 

Loops are not expensive.  Buying Peace of Mind and not doing your own research is expensive.  Id rather research, and use my brain and save 2/3rds the price.

 

My last custom loop on a CPU and GPU with dual rads in push pull cost me $65.  This one is going with triple rads so its in total costing me like $76.  Will be $100 total once I buy "cheap Chinese knockoff SP fans" for 1/3rd the price but same/same performance.

You getting those fans Kyle just reviewed?  If so, let us know how it all works.  Would love to see temp numbers, etc.

 

Good post.  


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3 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

You getting those fans Kyle just reviewed?  If so, let us know how it all works.  Would love to see temp numbers, etc.

 

Good post.  

Will do, Ive only seen the thumbnail (plan on watching the video) but those were the ones I was going to eyeball when I get a sec :), what matters to me is the RPM for SP fans, I like the Arctic P12 SP's but they are cheaper because lower RPM so when you really want to turbo cool they just don't spool up like a Corsair SP fan etc


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Mixing metals is Science.  I like being smarter than the Corporations trying to make money off me...feels good.


Ryzen Rig 2: ASrock B450 Pro4 ATX, Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8ghz all core stock voltage, Sapphire R9 Fury Tri-X Nitro 4gb HBM, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz V-Color Skywalker, Corsair HX850 PSU, Corsair H100i GTX 240mm AIO push top exhaust, 128gb Patriot Scorch NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 500gb Samsung 840 EVO SSD, CoolerMaster HAF XM Case

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Ryzen Rig: ASUS B350-PRIME ATX, Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.8ghz all core stock voltage (yes, 2 of them...silicone lottery!), Sapphire R9 Fury Tri-X Nitro 4gb HBM, 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz V-Color Skywalker, ANTEC Earthwatts 750w PSU, MasterLiquid Lite 120 AIO cooler in Push/Pull config as rear exhaust, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD, Patriot Burst 240gb SSD, 640gb WD Blue 7200 RPM Mech drive, Rosewill Nautilus 1.0 Case

Dwight: The Mixed Metals Loop Media Center.  Ask me about it.

Micro Form Factor Dell OptiPlex 3040: Dell 0MGK50 A02, i3-6100T, 4gb DDR3 1600, Team Group 120gb SSD, Windows 10 Pro, Logitech K400+, M.2 Intel Wifi/Bluetooth

 

A couple laptops and tablets around the house

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