huawei Huawei phones outside of China to lose Google Play services/Android Updates (Worldwide except China)

[RockyRZ]

Good, we don't need more Android phones, especially ones that tell the CCP everything about you. What do I mean, by "more Android phones"?

 

I mean they're basically the same outside of stock, minor custom ROMs but otherwise the same experience across hundreds of brands. We've hit a wall in innovation anyway, so good riddance. 

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, RockyRZ said:

We've hit a wall in innovation anyway, so good riddance. 

so 5x cameraszoom is irrelevant?

wideangle lense?

inscreen, backpanel, frontpanel fingerprint reader. 

 

its not some small smarthphone vendor. its Huawei which is in the top 3. 

[leadeater]

15 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

its not some small smarthphone vendor. its Huawei which is in the top 3. 

Never mind that Huawei gave over their full source code to 3 (or 4, I forget) different nations, one being the US, who all did full investigations and concluded there were no spyware or backdoors. Huawei also has one of the highest percentages of getting Android security patches out to their phones, by A LOT, so are some of the most secure phones on the market for Android with Samsung being one of the much lower performers in this area.

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Huawei also has one of the highest percentages of getting Android security patches out to their phones, by A LOT, so are some of the most secure phones on the market for Android with Samsung being one of the much lower performers in this area.

as someone who currently own an older Huawei device, i was surprised i got updates at all (i expected nothing). i still get security and bug updates to this day on my Huawei Matebook 9 Pro. its not a perfect by a long shot phone and ive got gripes with both software and hardware, but i welcome updates. (2017  january phone release date, currently running, EMUI 9.0.1.179. and that is Android Pie, yes its within 2 years, but its something)

16 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Never mind that Huawei gave over their full source code to 3 (or 4, I forget) different nations, one being the US, who all did full investigations and concluded there were no spyware or backdoors

another question is why would Huawei consider to do any backdoor scheming? they were allready targeted by the US in terms of spying allogations. getting blacklisted by the US with actual evidence to back it up would most likely lead to a ban in Nato countries. and last time i checked, Nato countries have been pretty relaxed regarding Huawei. Stating that the only concern they have is that a communication grid shouldnt relly on a single supplier. (or at least that is what Norwegian security counsil stated)

[porina]

14 hours ago, Kaws said:

Can I ask if Microsoft follow suit and ban Huawei, does that mean the laptops would not get updates etc?

My interpretation is that scenario is different. In Android's case, the manufacturer has to prepare the update that goes out to devices. In Windows case, the updates come directly from MS. It doesn't have to go through the device manufacturer.

 

Is the wording of the "ban" known? Does it allow passive non-support, in that providers just don't do anything. Or does it require active non-support, e.g. targeted blocking?

[Scitesh]

On 5/20/2019 at 1:36 AM, JoostinOnline said:

I've never owned a Huawei product before, but this is so unfair. They keep getting accused of stuff with no actual proof.

I have a view 10 luckily one of the last phones from Huawei that had an open bootloader (more like a closed bootloader whose key got leaked) so far i am loving it i got it last year and was waiting for summer break to flash some custom rom (cyanogen +andopower) 

On 5/20/2019 at 2:09 AM, Sauron said:

Android is both open source and... not. The operating system itself is 100% open source, however google services are not and to a lot of people those services are what defines the Android experience. Here's a short list of some of the things that would be missing without google services:

• google maps
• google play
• youtube
• google calendar
• gmail

There's a very good chance that if you use an Android phone you use at least a couple of these regularly. There are alternatives but they usually come with some caveats. And no, you can't sideload google play without google services.

You can always side load those i am just wondering if huawei/honor can add unistalled apks on the phone and let end customer add it as he sees fit (I don't know if play services would throw a hissy fit) 

 

On 5/20/2019 at 3:15 AM, PacketMan said:

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK Why always my devices

I feel you brother

 

On 5/20/2019 at 2:34 AM, yolosnail said:

What I want to know is why the US government haven't banned BBK yet if they're so concerned about the Chinese spying. They are (or at least were) a bigger smartphone manufacturer than Huawei and own OnePlus so I would imagine have a bigger smartphone share in the US.

Coz bbk dosent make telecommunications hardware just end devices 

On 5/20/2019 at 2:52 AM, System32.exe said:

I can see this backfiring as Huawei now has an excuse to ditch Android altogether for their own mobile OS, I bet the Chinese government would love for that to happen.

 

Hopefully this is false though, it seems pretty heavy handed.

It's gonna be almost impossible to make anyone jump ships from ios/android at this point because both of those are well known/most markets are at saturation. Also don't forget the app support both ios and ando has billions of apps so unless Huawei makes a cross compiler which makes porting apps pretty easy I think Huawei OS would go the way of Windows mobile 

(ps :based on the fact that ando is based on java I guess cross compiler wouldn't be an daunting task)

On 5/20/2019 at 6:32 AM, Riaves said:

i wonder how china is going to retaliate on this. Apple has a big market share in china and i dont think china will stay quiet. I personally think that america is afraid for a big competitor like Huawei which has grown a lot over the years while iPhone sales have stagnated. I was thinking of getting the OnePlus 7 next month but now im not sure if other chinese brands are safe. hope more news and info follows soon.

But the fact is blocking apple damages its own workforce 

On 5/20/2019 at 3:13 PM, abazigal said:

All signs pointed to China narrowly escaping a recession earlier this year by offering cheap loans (basically a stimulus package), which suggests that it may be a lot weaker than it appears. If the US pushes too hard (and I wonder if this is their endgame), it could cause China to slide back into recession, and drag the rest of the world down with it. 

 

In short, Trump wants to contain China, is fine with some collateral damage (ie: it’s okay to lose so long as the opponent loses more), and doesn’t care who gets caught in the crossfire. 

Phyrric victory is the term you're looking for

 

 

If I would have been Huawei I'd shitting bricks over the fact I wo t be able to buy controllers and modems (broadcomm), dacs (qualcomm) and not to mention  development software such as Cadence or keil

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, Scitesh said:

You can always side load those i am just wondering if huawei/honor can add unistalled apks on the phone and let end customer add it as he sees fit (I don't know if play services would throw a hissy fit)

No they can't and yes it would. Sideloading google play services is a pain in the butt and I'm sure they aren't allowed to distribute the apks (not that a regular customer would want to bother with that).

[suicidalfranco]

On 5/20/2019 at 4:17 PM, Mr. horse said:

What is there to stop a user from installing these apps or updates manually?

Huawei no longer giving the bootloader unlock codes that would have allowed the users to flash gapps for those that want them

[illegalwater]

27 minutes ago, Scitesh said:

It's gonna be almost impossible to make anyone jump ships from ios/android at this point because both of those are well known/most markets are at saturation. Also don't forget the app support both ios and ando has billions of apps so unless Huawei makes a cross compiler which makes porting apps pretty easy I think Huawei OS would go the way of Windows mobile 

(ps :based on the fact that ando is based on java I guess cross compiler wouldn't be an daunting task)

This situation isn't comparable to Windows mobile at all. Huawei has 1.4 billion highly nationalistic people to market to from day one. They've also got the backing of the Chinese government, which has been known to either outright ban foreign competitor's products or "strongly encourage" that you use a native company's products.

[perseides]

There's a lot of comment on how current Huawei phones will work after the ban. There's a general perception that current Huawei phones won't be affected aside from future updates. 

 

However I can a cross this YouTube which explains that Huawei is in bigger trouble than generally thought? I do see his nterpretation, ie. Huawei have the choice of

1. Don't update any of the current phones,

2. Or Huawei updates the version of the phones and risks losing all Google services??? If that is true then its really a much bigger deal. 

 

https://youtu.be/BFfQlgQBLGI

 

Any argument against this guy's interpretation is welcome. Ofc barring a U-turn from Trump administration. 

Edited May 21, 2019 by perseides

[dizmo]

10 hours ago, D13H4RD said:

Hmmm, I always thought they were remotely similar. Guess I was mistaken. 

 

Just to jog my memory, when was the most recent example of a company refusing to give up information when asked for by the government? 

No, Apple refused to give in to government demands. This separate company designed something to bypass it.

I'll just use Apple as my example here, as I don't have any others that I can think of off the top of my head, and I don't really care enough to look into it.

[xAcid9]

final nail to the coffin? lol

 

https://www.xda-developers.com/arm-suspend-business-huawei/

[Zodiark1593]

12 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

final nail to the coffin? lol

 

https://www.xda-developers.com/arm-suspend-business-huawei/

Might be a good opportunity to put some serious resources into developing RISC-V then?

[bowrilla]

1 hour ago, xAcid9 said:

final nail to the coffin? lol

 

https://www.xda-developers.com/arm-suspend-business-huawei/

That's basically about it with Huawei and Android then. Even AOSP isn't really an option anymore, it doesn't support RISC-V yet and I don't see the Open Handset Alliance jumping on that train if Huawei goes the RISC-V route. 

 

On the other hand: try sueing Huawei in China over licence infringement. Good luck, ARM.

 

But seriously. This is a major blow. Screw the Android license, Huawei could still go strong with AOSP and a China-proprietary approach. Without the ARM license, they legally can't manufacture their SoCs anymore.