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Huawei phones outside of China to lose Google Play services/Android Updates (Worldwide except China)

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Well, that's unfortunate for all the people who did end up buying a Huawei phone.

 

But then again, it shouldn't be that hard for someone to manually install gapps on their phone... And I'm pretty sure Huawei already had a "plan B" in case this sort of scenario panned out. (whether or not it's any good though.... I wouldn't know)
As for security updates, I don't know how it works, but couldn't they send those out from their own servers?

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1 minute ago, TetraSky said:

And I'm pretty sure Huawei already had a "plan B" in case this sort of scenario panned out.

They do. 

 

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What I want to know is why the US government haven't banned BBK yet if they're so concerned about the Chinese spying. They are (or at least were) a bigger smartphone manufacturer than Huawei and own OnePlus so I would imagine have a bigger smartphone share in the US.

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1 minute ago, yolosnail said:

What I want to know is why the US government haven't banned BBK yet if they're so concerned about the Chinese spying. They are (or at least were) a bigger smartphone manufacturer than Huawei and own OnePlus so I would imagine have a bigger smartphone share in the US.

Don't do infrastructure and I presume they don't have the same ties to the Chinese government. That's the only difference.

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Just now, Trixanity said:

Don't do infrastructure and I presume they don't have the same ties to the Chinese government. That's the only difference.

Is it even possible to be a large international company in China and not have very large ties to the Chinese government?

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45 minutes ago, dizmo said:

You're not looking at it properly. This is an issue of national security (even if you don't care, that's what's being argued here), and since they're part of the Five Eyes, other countries of power don't really care what they (the US) collect. This isn't something being fought over for consumer's data protection.

Yes but the US does the same to almost all other countries. It's wrong all together but it's interesting nobody cares if the US does it only when big scary China does it 

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I can see this backfiring as Huawei now has an excuse to ditch Android altogether for their own mobile OS, I bet the Chinese government would love for that to happen.

 

Hopefully this is false though, it seems pretty heavy handed.

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15 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yes but the US does the same to almost all other countries. It's wrong all together but it's interesting nobody cares if the US does it only when big scary China does it 

They're extremely different countries, with different views. It's almost like saying you trust cops, but you don't trust the drug cartel.

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31 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Don't do infrastructure and I presume they don't have the same ties to the Chinese government. That's the only difference.

Probably, although this does throw up a yellow flag to me, knowing how China works and their regulations when it comes to businesses. 

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Blacklisting Huawei effectively kneecaps most of China's international efforts to duplicate / catch up to the existing capabilities of Five-Eyes (in terms of the ability to read any information sent via electrons / photons).

 

Will be interesting what Lighthizer goes after next, if the Chinese continue equivocating in those "trade" negotiations.

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My take on this is that Google has no choice but to comply with the US gov blacklist against Huawei. If this is the case, then as Google are US HQ, it would apply to subsidiaries too, so impact the world. The source article says China wouldn't be affected as they don't use the impacted Google apps.

 

I've never used one, but to my knowledge the only high profile Android AOSP deployment is on Amazon devices. In effect the device manufacturer takes over parts of the software. It is certainly possible but would increase friction for those who want the Google version of Android.

 

Note this doesn't just affect Google, it would affect any US company supplying stuff to Huawei. For intents and purposes, this is the US government declaring war on a company. Right now, I think the current US government is more scary than China.

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30 minutes ago, yolosnail said:

Is it even possible to be a large international company in China and not have very large ties to the Chinese government?

Depends on your definition of ties. From what I understand all Chinese companies are beholden to the government but without knowing the leadership of BBK, there is some evidence that key figures within Huawei are or were prominent in the communist party and/or military.

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4 minutes ago, porina said:

Note this doesn't just affect Google, it would affect any US company supplying stuff to Huawei. For intents and purposes, this is the US government declaring war on a company. Right now, I think the current US government is more scary than China.

You think it's scary now? If they bring out secondary sanctions against entities as internationally-integrated as Chinese multi-national corporations (or just against the entire Chinese system in general), hell is going to break loose - they will be unable to interact with anything that touches the American dollar.

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When you really think of it though... The hypocrisy is immense.

 

"Huawei is bad because China can exert control" meanwhile the US exerts control over Google to force them to cut ties with a key partner.

 

Huawei moved 60 million units in Q1. They're the second largest phone manufacturer. This is huge in Android land.

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2 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

When you really think of it though... The hypocrisy is immense.

 

"Huawei is bad because China can exert control" meanwhile the US exerts control over Google to force them to cut ties with a key partner.

 

Huawei moved 60 million units in Q1. They're the second largest phone manufacturer. This is huge in Android land.

Hardly any American is going to see it that way because "national security."

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24 minutes ago, dizmo said:

They're extremely different countries, with different views. It's almost like saying you trust cops, but you don't trust the drug cartel.

China gives little fucks about people's "rights", up to and including life.

That is true as the US is a democracy and China dictator but what gives the US the right to harvest and spy on other countries citizens? 

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8 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

You think it's scary now? If they bring out secondary sanctions against entities as internationally-integrated as Chinese multi-national corporations (or just against the entire Chinese system in general), hell is going to break loose - they will be unable to interact with anything that touches the American dollar.

At a global level, there are a lot of scary things going on. No question the US is highly influential at a global level, but any of the games played to try to improve their position at the cost of China is going to annoy a lot of people worldwide. It they get it wrong, the world might decide they don't want to deal with the US any more if this is the sort of pain that comes with it. Even today in my work, very often there are basically two standards: US and "rest of world".

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Well this is interesting. From the article Reuters god info from a source, so nothing was yet officially confirmed? Either way this is gonna be a huge deal in Europe if true, Huawei is selling like hot cakes. 

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1 hour ago, TetraSky said:

And I'm pretty sure Huawei already had a "plan B" in case this sort of scenario panned out. (whether or not it's any good though.... I wouldn't know)

Afaik they started developing their own software/OS suite.

 

How far they have gotten into that is unknown at this point. Dont think its very far at least.

 

 

Wasnt the google playstore going to be a kit you could get seperate due to the EU? Since its android, nothing should be stopping you from paying a small fee and getting the playstore.

 

Or at least thatbis how it should go if the EU pushed through properly regarding that case with Google.

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Just now, Bouzoo said:

Either way this is gonna be a huge deal in Europe if true, Huawei is selling like hot cakes

Isnt it due to EU laws you should be able to get the playstore seperate from the phone though? Or did i get that memo wrong?

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12 minutes ago, porina said:

It they get it wrong, the world might decide they don't want to deal with the US any more if this is the sort of pain that comes with it. Even today in my work, very often there are basically two standards: US and "rest of world".

That is precisely why the Americans don't care about playing hardball with China (or Korea / Japan / UK / Germany / EU, for that matter):

 

  •  American economic dependence on the global (that doesn't include the NAFTA side of things, which is effectively continental / almost-domestic as it is) trade order is comparatively minimal as a proportion of their overall economy. Everything the Americans need (not necessarily "want", but that's a slightly different issue that can generally be solved via the negotiating table, with a loaded gun beneath it if necessary) is generally already within their own borders or the borders of NAFTA (energy, food, a young & large population capable of consuming whatever gets manufactured).
  •  Everyone else? Sea lanes not held open by the Americans? Multi-nation (and multi-continental, in many cases) supply chains no longer feasible (or possible...)? Not enough oil coming out of the middle east because the and Iranian-Saudi conflict just went hot? Markets inaccessible (or flat out lost) because that was either the Americans, or a nation whose existence was propped up by the current global trade order (e.g. Korea)? "Oops".

 

 

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1 hour ago, dizmo said:

Interesting. Though, one has to wonder how many US companies they actually deal with, other than Google. It's not like they're dependent on Qualcomm like ZTE is.

How many versions back do you have to go before Android is open source?

AOSP is always open source.

 

So they could theoretically carry on using AOSP. The wording of this seems to me to indicate that Google was giving Huawei non AOSP android and is now revoking that privilege or something. I'm honestly quite confused by their statement as well since you can't effectively stop someone from getting AOSP android.

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

Isn't it always? I don't get how they lose out that much there, other than Google's support.

Couldn't they just side load the Play Store later?

Sure but they'd be opening themselves up to copyright infringement lawsuits.

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34 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And nothing of value was lost. 

Disregarding the whole "he spies, they spy, no they spy" part, for the android market this is huge, considering Huawei brought competition to the big players, just to become the 2nd biggest player themselves. Most notably competition to Samsung. 

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