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Huawei phones outside of China to lose Google Play services/Android Updates (Worldwide except China)

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Alphabet Inc’s Google has suspended business with Huawei that requires the transfer of hardware and software products except those covered by open source licenses, a source close to the matter told Reuters on Sunday, in a blow to the Chinese technology company that the U.S. government has sought to blacklist around the world.

 

Huawei Technologies Co Ltd will immediately lose access to updates to the Android operating system, and the next version of its smartphones outside of China will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app.

 

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-alphabet-exclusive/exclusive-google-suspends-some-business-with-huawei-after-trump-blacklist-source-idUSKCN1SP0NB

 

OOF. Yeah, even here in Canada, I wouldn't want to buy one of them now.

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3 minutes ago, Lebon14 said:

Is that for europe too or just the usa?

 

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15 minutes ago, Humbug said:

Topic title is wrong then. Better change it.

There we go. CHanged it to (Potentially only USA) since the article isn't exactly clear about it.

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Could this be a potential lawsuit for Alphabet due to existing Huawei phones with android? Lawsuit from consumers that is. 


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2 minutes ago, Lebon14 said:

There we go. CHanged it to (Potentially only USA) since the article isn't exactly clear about it.

The article is pretty clear for most of it and it will apply to everywhere outside of China, except for Android updates which will take effect immediately for inside and outside of China. All the next iteration of phones sold outside of China moving forward will also not have support for Gmail and the Google Play Store when those phones come from Huawei. What I'm not sure if is why things within China will get that support but I'm sure more details will come on that part. Huawei will also lose all technical support and collaboration with Google and access to any feature of Android that is not covered by open-source licenses.

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Huawei will continue to have access to the version of the Android operating system available through the open source license that is freely open to anyone who wishes to use it.

But Google will stop providing any technical support and collaboration for Android and Google services to Huawei going forward, the source said.

 


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11 minutes ago, Lurick said:

The article is pretty clear for most of it and it will apply to everywhere outside of China, except for Android updates which will take effect immediately for inside and outside of China. All the next iteration of phones sold outside of China moving forward will also not have support for Gmail and the Google Play Store when those phones come from Huawei. What I'm not sure if is why things within China will get that support but I'm sure more details will come on that part. Huawei will also lose all technical support and collaboration with Google and access to any feature of Android that is not covered by open-source licenses.

 

Hmm... I read it and didn't get the same vibe as you. Changed the title again to "Worldwide except China". The title is already pretty long.

 

Regardless, this will probably either kill Huawei's market outside of China or force them to create their own ecosystem or worse...

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Yeah that's something I didn't think about in advance with the US ban. Insanity.


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I've never owned a Huawei product before, but this is so unfair. They keep getting accused of stuff with no actual proof.


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I don't really like Huawei because they seem shady as all hell but I can't say I expected this to ever happen... Holy crap


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I like how people think Hauwei was created 2 years ago for the sole reason to spy on the US. It's been around since the 80s and that also means no 5G as they are the sole owners of 5G network gear. All the 5G you see is fake too


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1 minute ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

I don't really like Huawei because they seem shady as all hell but I can't say I expected this to ever happen... Holy crap

Why though? Copying other brands is almost a given now days lol but I highly doubt there is any spying going on. The NSA has already done extensive spying in 2006-2009 and found nothing 


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Well, customers all over the world are now screwed because of this pissing contest. Funny thing is that Huawei was pretty much non-existent within the US. Their customer base was basically everyone but that country.

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I like how people think Hauwei was created 2 years ago for the sole reason to spy on the US. It's been around since the 80s and that also means no 5G as they are the sole owners of 5G network gear. All the 5G you see is fake too

What? There are several companies out there with 5G network equipment including Qualcomm, Ericson and Nokia just to name a few. Huawei in no way is the sole producer of 5G gear.


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35 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Could this be a potential lawsuit for Alphabet due to existing Huawei phones with android? Lawsuit from consumers that is. 

I doubt it, when you buy a phone from huawei they are the company responsible for supporting and updating the phone; if they didn't have the foresight to make a contract with google that prevents this from happening (or carries a massive termination penalty) technically it's their fault they couldn't deliver on what they promised - if they promised continued updates for longer than they could deliver them that is, and even then they can still update their phones as long as they develop the updates themselves.

 

If alphabet is in breach of their contract with huawei I'm sure huawei will pursue them legally.

7 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

I've never owned a Huawei product before, but this is so unfair. They keep getting accused of stuff with no actual proof.

There is some proof that huawei representatives have been in shady dealings with chinese secret services, but that isn't what this is about - if the trump administration gave a sh*t about their citizens' privacy and had reason to believe huawei was threatening it they would simply ban imports from huawei. Instead they chose to basically erase the company from western markets to give an unfair advantage to companies that are either more likely to comply with their demands or are in various ways advantageous to them or their allies.


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Interesting. Though, one has to wonder how many US companies they actually deal with, other than Google. It's not like they're dependent on Qualcomm like ZTE is.

How many versions back do you have to go before Android is open source? Isn't it always? I don't get how they lose out that much there, other than Google's support.

Couldn't they just side load the Play Store later?

 

4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

I like how people think Hauwei was created 2 years ago for the sole reason to spy on the US. It's been around since the 80s and that also means no 5G as they are the sole owners of 5G network gear. All the 5G you see is fake too

Interestingly people seem to get the wrong impression when it comes to "spying." The issue isn't that they're spying so much as it is the amount of data collected with 5G vs 4G, and most companies in China will simply hand over any information when asked, giving little to no fight. So, while yeah Huawei might not spy or issue any kind of back door, they'll be harvesting a lot more data just as a side effect, and the Chinese government can ask them to hand it over.

 

TL;DR - It's not that they're spying, or intend to, it's what the Chinese government can twist their arm into providing...with little to no force.

2 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Well, customers all over the world are now screwed because of this pissing contest. Funny thing is that Huawei was pretty much non-existent within the US. Their customer base was basically everyone but that country.

I wouldn't say screwed. There's tons of other choices. It's unfortunate, sure. It's a move to deny 5G infrastructure, not so much their mobile devices. They're just an unfortunate victim.


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You know what's funny about all this? 

 

They're specifically targeting Huawei due to their 5G plans and not the other Chinese phone manufacturers, some of which are selling phones on US shelves already 


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Interesting. Though, one has to wonder how many US companies they actually deal with, other than Google. It's not like they're dependent on Qualcomm like ZTE is.

How many versions back do you have to go before Android is open source? Isn't it always? I don't get how they lose out that much there, other than Google's support.

Couldn't they just side load the Play Store later?

 

Interestingly people seem to get the wrong impression when it comes to "spying." The issue isn't that they're spying so much as it is the amount of data collected with 5G vs 4G, and most companies in China will simply hand over any information when asked, giving little to no fight. So, while yeah Huawei might not spy or issue any kind of back door, they'll be harvesting a lot more data just as a side effect, and the Chinese government can ask them to hand it over.

 

TL;DR - It's not that they're spying, or intend to, it's what the Chinese government can twist their arm into providing...with little to no force.

I wouldn't say screwed. There's tons of other choices. It's unfortunate, sure. It's a move to deny 5G infrastructure, not so much their mobile devices. They're just an unfortunate victim.

Yeah true but that is every company in the US and the NSA. 

5 minutes ago, Lurick said:

What? There are several companies out there with 5G network equipment including Qualcomm, Ericson and Nokia just to name a few. Huawei in no way is the sole producer of 5G gear.

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah true but that is every company in the US and the NSA.

You're not looking at it properly. This is an issue of national security (even if you don't care, that's what's being argued here), and since they're part of the Five Eyes, other countries of power don't really care what they (the US) collect. This isn't something being fought over for consumer's data protection.


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17 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Interesting. Though, one has to wonder how many US companies they actually deal with, other than Google. It's not like they're dependent on Qualcomm like ZTE is.

How many versions back do you have to go before Android is open source? Isn't it always? I don't get how they lose out that much there, other than Google's support.

Android is both open source and... not. The operating system itself is 100% open source, however google services are not and to a lot of people those services are what defines the Android experience. Here's a short list of some of the things that would be missing without google services:

  • google maps
  • google play
  • youtube
  • google calendar
  • gmail

There's a very good chance that if you use an Android phone you use at least a couple of these regularly. There are alternatives but they usually come with some caveats. And no, you can't sideload google play without google services.


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24 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I wouldn't say screwed. There's tons of other choices. It's unfortunate, sure. It's a move to deny 5G infrastructure, not so much their mobile devices. They're just an unfortunate victim.

Not screwed? How did you come up with that idea?

 

So how many P30s, Mate 20s and P20s (not to mention equivalent Honor models) are out there right now? It's at least double digit millions. I don't think it's triple but I honestly don't know how many units they've moved in that segment over the last year. 

 

Anyway, all those customers won't even see a single security patch. You could have bought a brand new P30 Pro a couple of weeks ago and now risk having an insecure device and you certainly won't get an OS update to Q.

 

The choice they have is to ditch their phone and buy a new one. That's a bad choice for most people.

 

Of course this is still at a hypothetical level but it looks like it might become reality.

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