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22 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

20TB minus formatting overhead and Windows shit

Why anyone puts Windows on a >2TB drive is beyond me. 


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3 hours ago, TetraSky said:

Yeah, they last a long time, my 640GB WD Black is also still kicking after 10 odd years... Same with my 1TB WD Black.

Seagate drives on the other hand... In my experience, don't nearly last as long.

Same, I still have a 640GB, a 750GB, and a 1TB WD Blacks working to this day.

 

My eldest drive though is my 160GB Seagate Barracuda.  


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i'dd buy that for a money!

so much storage for...porn...all of those electronic titties...

i don't think i would need pornhub again!


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52 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

Almost like it's a whole lot less sensitive than a drive with ~32 times as much storage crammed into the same space... Spooky.

Doesn't quite expain how these 80MB relics still work 😆DSCF1370.thumb.JPG.6e1542b95a6e34d73a1a7bcf013a9f40.JPG


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1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Doesn't quite expain how these 80MB relics still work 😆

Or the 160GB Velociraptors that needed pound's worth of metal to cool down. 


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1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Or the 160GB Velociraptors that needed pound's worth of metal to cool down. 

Those decended from some of the most expensive HDD.....which used SCSI originally.


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1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

Those decended from some of the most expensive HDD.....which used SCSI originally.

Don't you mean "ascended from hell"?


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Imagine losing 20TB of data.... filled with your greatest porn collection.


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1 hour ago, Kamina said:

Imagine losing 20TB of data.... filled with your greatest porn collection.

 

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3 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Doesn't quite expain how these 80MB relics still work 😆

The whole blanket statement of "they don't make 'em like they used to" comes to mind (and the whole shit-wasnt-as-sensitive-as-a-snowflake thing). Hell, the 20GB Seagate in the PC that ran the alignment machine at my dad's last job ran non-stop (aside from the obvious power fuckup or machine maintenance) from 2001 until they closed in 2016 and it's fine. Shit has fewer bad sectors than half the drives in my file server.


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20 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

The whole blanket statement of "they don't make 'em like they used to" comes to mind (and the whole shit-wasnt-as-sensitive-as-a-snowflake thing). Hell, the 20GB Seagate in the PC that ran the alignment machine at my dad's last job ran non-stop (aside from the obvious power fuckup or machine maintenance) from 2001 until they closed in 2016 and it's fine. Shit has fewer bad sectors than half the drives in my file server.

The 80MB on the right is well known to suffer from stiction.....basically the read/write head can cold weld itself to the platter if the conditions are correct.


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4 hours ago, Kamina said:

Imagine losing 20TB of data.... filled with your greatest porn collection.

That's why you have backups. If you have a solid backup scheme in place, you pretty much will never lose data (or porn, or whatever), no matter what size the drive.


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1 hour ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

That's why you have backups. If you have a solid backup scheme in place, you pretty much will never lose data (or porn, or whatever), no matter what size the drive.

Not to mention data recovery services... :D

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19 minutes ago, mach said:

And I thought my 6x4 in my NAS is plenty.

How much porn do one needs?

All of it?


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I mean ok ye I'd expect it. Seagate as shown before had much longer roadmap and will probably release it sooner. 

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All I can think about is just how long it would take to rebuild an array of 20TB drives...and the chances that a second drive failing during the insanely long rebuild.


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11 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

The 80MB on the right is well known to suffer from stiction.....basically the read/write head can cold weld itself to the platter if the conditions are correct.

Gee wow, one product that has a known problem, holy fuck that's never happened before


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8 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

Not to mention data recovery services... :D

Forget data recovery services. In most cases, they will cost you well north of $1k with no guarantee of success. Depending on data recovery as a backup is like playing Russian Roulette with half the chambers loaded. A solid backup scheme is far safer and much less expensive.

6 hours ago, huilun02 said:

20TB of pain when the read head crashes

Not if you have a proper backup scheme in place. I have more than one backup so, if a drive fails, I can be up and running in however long it takes to pull the dead drive and replace it with one of the backup drives, then let my computer take its own sweet time repopulating a new backup drive (and I'll still have more backups in case the worst happens).

35 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

All I can think about is just how long it would take to rebuild an array of 20TB drives...and the chances that a second drive failing during the insanely long rebuild.

Thsi is one reason why I do not recommend RAID, etc. for most people. All a RAID, etc. provides is redundancy. All redundancy does is protect from drive failure (up to the fault tolerance) and allow a computer to keep chugging along when one or more drives (depending, again, on the fault tolerance) dies.

 

Most people do not absolutely need for a computer to keep running after one or more drives fail. It's a bit inconvenient but not the end of the world as long as one has a solid backup.

 

Redundancy will prevent data loss from drive failure (up to a point) but will not protect from other causes of data loss, such as user error (such as accidental deletion or formatting), PSU failure frying everyting in the computer, power surges that blow through any surge protection you may have, theft, fire, flood, wind damage (like a little ol' tornado or hurricane), viruses and other malware, etc. Only backups can protect you from that.

 

For data to be reasonably safe, it must exist in three places. For most people, this will be on the computer, on an onsite backup drive, and on an offsite backup drive. For a backup drive to be a true backup, it must be kept powered down and disconnected from the computer and stored away from the computer at all times except while updating the backup.


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2 hours ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

Forget data recovery services. In most cases, they will cost you well north of $1k with no guarantee of success. Depending on data recovery as a backup is like playing Russian Roulette with half the chambers loaded. A solid backup scheme is far safer and much less expensive.

I meant as a last resort if worse comes to worst... :D BTW AFAIK the one such service located in my country works with a pretty decent rate of successful recovery's.

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4 hours ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

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Thsi is one reason why I do not recommend RAID, etc. for most people. All a RAID, etc. provides is redundancy. All redundancy does is protect from drive failure (up to the fault tolerance) and allow a computer to keep chugging along when one or more drives (depending, again, on the fault tolerance) dies.

 

Most people do not absolutely need for a computer to keep running after one or more drives fail. It's a bit inconvenient but not the end of the world as long as one has a solid backup.

 

Redundancy will prevent data loss from drive failure (up to a point) but will not protect from other causes of data loss, such as user error (such as accidental deletion or formatting), PSU failure frying everyting in the computer, power surges that blow through any surge protection you may have, theft, fire, flood, wind damage (like a little ol' tornado or hurricane), viruses and other malware, etc. Only backups can protect you from that.

 

For data to be reasonably safe, it must exist in three places. For most people, this will be on the computer, on an onsite backup drive, and on an offsite backup drive. For a backup drive to be a true backup, it must be kept powered down and disconnected from the computer and stored away from the computer at all times except while updating the backup.

 

All good stuff to remember, I run a "RAID" on my server for the uptime and the benefits ZFS gives. But I also keep snapshots and backups too. I just don't want to have to restore a backup unless absolutely necessary (even more important when you live with your..um.."customers")... I was just thinking that since rebuilding arrays does puts stress on the other disks until finished and how freakishly long it takes to rebuild 6 disk arrays with 8-10TB disks, 20 might take up to a week depending how many resources your system is able to really devote, how much data, and how many disks there are in the array... Not to mention if those disks find their way into someone's poor little Synology box, I can't imagine how long you'd have to wait...


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