Ryzen 3K series Pre build

[GrockleTD]

Here is what I think I am going to do as of right now:

CPU: waiting on computex (current R3 1200)

MOBO: ASRock B450 steel legend (bought)

Memory: Trident Z Royal 16GB silver 3200Mhz

Case: Crystal 680x

PSU: something 600+W, Corsair and modular (have 700W TT unit)

Cooling:probably going softline, know a guy that can get me most of what I need for about 180

 

 

Thoughts?

[Morgan MLGman]

My only thought would be: What is the Ryzen 3000-series core count configuration that you're interested in? I have some doubts about 8 cores and above on that motherboard. Its power delivery section is quite bad honestly

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

My only thought would be: What is the Ryzen 3000-series core count configuration that you're interested in? I have some doubts about 8 cores and above on that motherboard. Its power delivery section is quite bad honestly

I will not likely go above 8 cores, since my main target is gaming and making the videoage for the youtob, which, from what i’ve seen in reviews for this board that it should be ok for

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Its power delivery section is quite bad honestly

well... have you seen different things than me?

[LukeSavenije]

7 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

Memory: Trident Z Royal 16GB silver 3200Mhz

waste of money

 

8 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

Case: Crystal 680x

quite expensive, might look at other cases too

 

8 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

PSU: something 600+W, Corsair and modular (have 700W TT unit)

why corsair specifically? what do you have with CWT, greatwall and seasonic?

[GrockleTD]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

well... have you seen different things than me?

From what i’ve seen it is adequate for 8 core, even overclocked as long as it’s got some airflow over it, which there will be plenty of (aim to have 6 ll120’s in balanced)

[Oalei]

Well you can resell those and get X570 and ryzen 3k

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Grockle88 said:

From what i’ve seen it is adequate for 8 core, even overclocked as long as it’s got some airflow over it, which there will be plenty of (aim to have 6 ll120’s in balanced)

i mean... even a ab350 should do that... that's why i think it's weird to say it is bad...

 

but i'm happy to hear him about it

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

waste of money

 

quite expensive, might look at other cases too

 

why corsair specifically? what do you have with CWT, greatwall and seasonic?

Yes I know

its decent value if you consider I was going to get the LL 120s anyways

never heard of the first two, but Seasonic is ok, I’m just likely going to go with the Corsair ecosystem bbl got to take a test

[LukeSavenije]

6 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

never heard of the first two, but Seasonic is ok, I’m just likely going to go with the Corsair ecosystem bbl got to take a test

well... there's a reason why i mentioned them...

 

they make corsairs current psu's (with flextronics excluded, but i didn't expect you to get an axi)

 

edit: forgot HEC for the VS

Edited May 15, 2019 by LukeSavenije

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... have you seen different things than me?

I've seen most (if not all) Buildzoid's videos on B450 VRMs and most of his VRM overviews in general, and sadly ASRock isn't among the best ones in terms of B450 boards (altough the Pro4 has pretty decent VRM for its price) It's possible that even a stock 2700X could be a challenge for this 4+2 phase VRM, the VRM heatsinks aren't the worst on this board but are also not particularly good so I'd personally draw a line and use at most overclocked 6-cores with the board.

ASRock's higher-end X470 Master SLI has a very bad VRM for its price for example too.

[GrockleTD]

10 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... there's a reason why i mentioned them...

 

they make corsairs current psu's (with flextronics excluded, but i didn't expect you to get an axi)

 

edit: forgot HEC for the VS

Ah, that makes sense. Any cost benefit?

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

I've seen most (if not all) Buildzoid's videos on B450 VRMs and most of his VRM overviews in general, and sadly ASRock isn't among the best ones in terms of B450 boards (altough the Pro4 has pretty decent VRM for its price) It's possible that even a stock 2700X could be a challenge for this 4+2 phase VRM, the VRM heatsinks aren't the worst on this board but are also not particularly good so I'd personally draw a line and use at most overclocked 6-cores with the board.

well... i'm going to try and explain

 

b450 pro4=b450 fatal1ty=~x370 pro4=~ab350 pro4

x470 master/sli=x470 fatal1ty without temp check problems=~steel legend

 

does that make sense?

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

well... i'm going to try and explain

 

b450 pro4=b450 fatal1ty=~x370 pro4=~ab350 pro4

x470 master/sli=x470 fatal1ty without temp check problems=~steel legend

 

does that make sense?

A bit yeah, besides the last part because the Steel Legend board looks to have a different VRM phase layout than the X470 Master/SLI and seems to use different components so I'd have to see a comparison there - though judging by the fact that the Steel Legend is a lower-end board I'd assume that even the X470 Master/SLI should perform a bit better

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

Ah, that makes sense. Any cost benefit?

i just want to say that corsair doesn't really have something special, CWT, greatwall, seasonic and hec have been used in many different psu's too from many other vendors

 

step outside the safe zone of that one company, and focus what's best for the money, they barely make anything from it anyways

 

heck, even the fan is made by hong hua, YateLoon or some others

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

A bit yeah, besides the last part because the Steel Legend board looks to have a different VRM phase layout than the X470 Master/SLI and seems to use different components so I'd have to see a comparison there - though judging by the fact that the Steel Legend is a lower-end board I'd assume that even the X470 Master/SLI should perform a bit better

it's from what I've seen very close to the x470 fatal1ty and x470 master/sli

 

but the master/sli had temp sensor problems iirc

[GrockleTD]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

A bit yeah, besides the last part because the Steel Legend board looks to have a different VRM phase layout than the X470 Master/SLI and seems to use different components so I'd have to see a comparison there - though judging by the fact that the Steel Legend is a lower-end board I'd assume that even the X470 Master/SLI should perform a bit better

Tech yes city did a review where he OC 2700, the board did fine without airflow

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, Grockle88 said:

Tech yes city did a review where he OC 2700, the board did fine without airflow

For a while, sure, but the question is how long would you want your board to survive?

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

it's from what I've seen very close to the x470 fatal1ty and x470 master/sli

 

but the master/sli had temp sensor problems iirc

My problem with the Master/SLI is that it's advertised as a 12-phase board! It's barely (if at all) better than the 4+2 phase Steel Legend which does say something about ASRock here...

The issue is that I wouldn't expect Zen 2 CPUs to draw less power than the current ones. If anything, I expect they will draw more. Of course Zen 2 will be more efficient, but it will also be faster and higher-clocked so it should negate the efficiency upgrade

[GrockleTD]

9 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

For a while, sure, but the question is how long would you want your board to survive?

My problem with the Master/SLI is that it's advertised as a 12-phase board! It's barely (if at all) better than the 4+2 phase Steel Legend which does say something about ASRock here...

The issue is that I wouldn't expect Zen 2 CPUs to draw less power than the current ones. If anything, I expect they will draw more. Of course Zen 2 will be more efficient, but it will also be faster and higher-clocked so it should negate the efficiency upgrade

Again though, those temps were without any airflow. I suspect With 6 fans it won’t be that big of an issue, if it is I can upgrade the motherboard

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

Again though, those temps were without any airflow. I suspect With 6 fans it won’t be that big of an issue, if it is I can upgrade the motherboard

The motherboard is fine for now, it's actually a pretty good value board, but we'll know more when we see actual Zen 2 power draw figures after it launches - if you decide you need (or want) a more powerful Ryzen, then you should consider a motherboard upgrade

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

The motherboard is fine for now, it's actually a pretty good value board, but we'll know more when we see actual Zen 2 power draw figures after it launches - if you decide you need (or want) a more powerful Ryzen, then you should consider a motherboard upgrade

Quite. So it’s a fine build otherwise?

[Morgan MLGman]

5 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

Quite. So it’s a fine build otherwise?

Well, in honesty your RAM is disproportionally expensive compared to the rest of the components, the case is quite expensive too (but the case argument is different for me - if you like the looks, features etc then go for it, even if it's expensive). The RAM argument is more like: you paid more for the same performance just so your RAM can have a shiny silver color
I can't comment on the power supply as I do not know the exact model (and these vary quite a lot even within the same brand)

Also, what's the GPU? Or are you waiting for Navi with the decision?

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Well, in honesty your RAM is disproportionally expensive compared to the rest of the components, the case is quite expensive too (but the case argument is different for me - if you like the looks, features etc then go for it, even if it's expensive). The RAM argument is more like: you paid more for the same performance just so your RAM can have a shiny silver color
I can't comment on the power supply as I do not know the exact model (and these vary quite a lot even within the same brand)

Also, what's the GPU? Or are you waiting for Navi with the decision?

I know lol, but I want to treat myself, in my eyes it is good value, the PSU could honestly be about whatever, Seasonic would actually be fine, and yes

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, Grockle88 said:

I know lol, but I want to treat myself, in my eyes it is good value, the PSU could honestly be about whatever, Seasonic would actually be fine, and yes

Yeah, I get it. I actually considered changing my white-LED RAM to something prettier and RGB-fied Which is pretty much a waste of money.

If you do not already have a case, I suggest you have a look at the Lian Li O11-Dynamic, it's cheaper and similar in terms of features to the 680X. I actually like its looks better.

[GrockleTD]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Yeah, I get it. I actually considered changing my white-LED RAM to something prettier and RGB-fied Which is pretty much a waste of money.

If you do not already have a case, I suggest you have a look at the Lian Li O11-Dynamic, it's cheaper and similar in terms of features to the 680X. I actually like its looks better.

I have a case, but it is matx, also, does the O11 come with 110dollars in fans I was going to buy anyways?