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Steam vs. Epic

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Posted · Original PosterOP

So what is the drama regarding Steam and Epic about?

 

If you want a game that is only on Epic, what is the problem with downloading it from Epic?

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Aside from the (quite exaggerated) scandal of Epic being Chinese spyware, the platform itself is also far inferior, and people greatly dislike having to add another platform to their PC just to expand their library.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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You are directly supporting exclusives. Epic is also mostly owned by Tencent and collects an incredible amount of data about you and your PC


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Just now, fasauceome said:

Aside from the (quite exaggerated) scandal of Epic being Chinese spyware, the platform itself is also far inferior, and people greatly dislike having to add another platform to their PC just to expand their library.

Dude it's not exaggerated if you look at the logs on a piHole


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4 minutes ago, OuterMarker said:

So what is the drama regarding Steam and Epic about?

 

If you want a game that is only on Epic, what is the problem with downloading it from Epic?

Epic Store has a better revenue split than Steam stealing developers from them:

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The Epic Games Store has a revenue-share model of 88 percent for developers and 12 percent for Epic, handily outpacing Steam's standard split of 70/30.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/25/steam-epic-games-store-revenue-share-sweeney-challenge/


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13 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Dude it's not exaggerated if you look at the logs on a piHole

Sweeney's own words:

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“The current implementation is a remnant left over from our rush to implement social features in the early days of Fortnite,” Sweeney says on Reddit. “It’s actually my fault for pushing the launcher team to support it super quickly and then identifying that we had to change it. Since this issue came to the forefront we’re going to fix it.”

so if it is spyware and he lied, I'd like to read an article if you've got one


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Aside from the (quite exaggerated) scandal of Epic being Chinese spyware, the platform itself is also far inferior, and people greatly dislike having to add another platform to their PC just to expand their library.

There is also the fact that it provides a direct channel for the PLA to install malware onto your computer if your country has hostilities with mainland China.

12 minutes ago, OuterMarker said:

So what is the drama regarding Steam and Epic about?

 

If you want a game that is only on Epic, what is the problem with downloading it from Epic?

It's a mess, one is people are already on Steam, It's like if your friends are all on Facebook and WeChat decided to make contracts with some of the large creators, News stations, and other things that you want to follow, so that they will stick exclusively to WeChat, and you can't share the videos/posts with your friends on Facebook. Also another recent issue is that because Epic (owned by Tencent) acquired the company that owns Easy Anticheat, whom was working with Valve to adapt their software to work  on Linux as part of Valve's Proton project to bring Windows games to Linux, and of course as Epic owns the company that made EAC, they have "diverted" their software engineers away from the Valve's project towards other ones.


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I never read about the spyware.  I just remember reading about Borderlands 3 being an Epic Store exclusive because of the better revenue split than Steam, causing upset gamers.


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Most are giving Epic shit because of exclusives, not blaming the pubs/devs, and ignoring EA and others for having exclusives.  Most of the exclusives are timed anyways and are going to Steam and other launchers+platforms.  Wait a few months and these people will mostly stop caring the find something new to bitch about.  That's just how the internet works.  Most don't really care about the whole profit splitting or other things.  The only major concern I have with EGS is the security part.


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Personally, I feel that Steam offers more for the consumer, with features like:

  • Family Sharing (buy once for the entire family, with separate save files)
  • Steam Workshop (user mods)
  • Steam In-Home Streaming (download once, use on multiple PC's, or use a remote PC to run a game and stream video to less powerful one)
  • Big Picture Mode (Console like control)
  • Good controller support
  • VR Dominance
  • Steam Box, Controller, and VR Headset

 

I also don't like the look of the Epic Games store, but that is just my personal taste. I understand many like it.

 

While Steam does take a larger cut from game developers, they also are using those funds to create features for the users, and even dedicated hardware. The Epic Games store just seems like a place to earn money, while Steam seems like a place for the consumers to have their way.

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13 minutes ago, TheBaconGuy said:

Personally, I feel that Steam offers more for the consumer, with features like:

  • Family Sharing (buy once for the entire family, with separate save files)
  • Steam Workshop (user mods)
  • Steam In-Home Streaming (download once, use on multiple PC's, or use a remote PC to run a game and stream video to less powerful one)
  • Big Picture Mode (Console like control)
  • Good controller support
  • VR Dominance
  • Steam Box, Controller, and VR Headset

 

I also don't like the look of the Epic Games store, but that is just my personal taste. I understand many like it.

 

While Steam does take a larger cut from game developers, they also are using those funds to create features for the users, and even dedicated hardware. The Epic Games store just seems like a place to earn money, while Steam seems like a place for the consumers to have their way.

Don't forget Steam Play and Proton!  Steam made it a lot easier for Linux gamers to install and play Windows games.


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Damn.,, And this whole time I was just opening Origin or Steam and hitting play without even thinking about the user interface or all the other features. I guess I am the gamer equivalent of a Mom who just wants a laptop to use as a facebook machine.

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Damn.,, And this whole time I was just opening Origin or Steam and hitting play without even thinking about the user interface or all the other features. I guess I am the gamer equivalent of a Mom who just wants a laptop to use as a facebook machine.

 

Give yourself more credit. You got yourself to an online forum. (Let alone know how to operate your applications reasonably)

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On 5/14/2019 at 4:37 AM, OuterMarker said:

So what is the drama regarding Steam and Epic about?

If you want a game that is only on Epic, what is the problem with downloading it from Epic?

Because they snagged it from Steam and made exclusive deals that prevent them from selling it on steam?


And they seem less secure than Steam, leaked a lot of Data in the last couple of year and a shit ton of other stuff.

 

As well as no Linux Support, up to the point of actively sabotaging Linux Support...


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I'll stick with Steam for the time being, I won't support a company that makes exclusivity deals just for the sake of getting more customers. Very anti consumer in my opinion, with all that fortnite money they could work on making a better launcher than steam is.

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Lots of drama. Only valid point being games announced on Steam being pulled in favor of Epic. Everything else is hogwash. People tend to forget that Steam also collects data and Steam was once craptastic too.


 

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If you looking for answers, sincerely, just do your own research. People are being very quick at not respect others opinions about it (and I say it for both sides pro/cons Epic) and very good at just give the top of the iceberg informations. What I can say is: look at the videos about it (there are tons), then get some articles about health competition and some other market stuffs, then at some point (it can be even before you do the research) you can decide if you care or don't. Since the other player (Steam) still didn't do anything about all of it, all that still remains are the people's own opinions, acceptations and frustrations.

 

For the start of you research I'll leave this here:

https://i.imgur.com/UVtm7cy.png

 

good luck.

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This is probably a good thing in the long run as it might encourage Valve to turn their focus away from the DOTA money printer and make another Portal/Half-Life/something new which they could offer as an exclusive. 

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People just don't want to download a new launcher. You can add games as a non-Steam game to Steam so you still get your friends list. Every store of any kind needs exclusives to get people to go there. Blizzard has Starcraft 2, Valve has Dota 2, Netflix has their own shows, and so on for everything. The only place you'll find 1 store that has everything is in a completely closed off and uncompetitive market like consoles or phones. I remember before Steam had any competition on PC and it didn't even have something as basic as the ability to return a game.

 

Steam does have some nice features like big picture mode though.

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On 5/13/2019 at 10:37 PM, OuterMarker said:

So what is the drama regarding Steam and Epic about?

What individual from individual reads on the internet.

On 5/13/2019 at 10:37 PM, OuterMarker said:

If you want a game that is only on Epic, what is the problem with downloading it from Epic?

You'd have to talk to individual, from individual and the problems they create for themselves. I myself have had zero problems with Steam, with Epic, with UPlay, with Origin, with GOG Galaxy, with Blizzard, with Game Sessions. Well, one problem with Game Sessions. They don't let you monitor your temps and usages with MSI Afterburner. That's a problem for me. So I rarely care to play the games Game Sessions give out for free because of it. The day I get Hitman Absolution somehow is the day I uninstall Game Sessions.

 

As for Epic exclusives, if they ain't free or worth their price tag, I probably won't ever even know they exist.

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On 5/13/2019 at 10:43 PM, quakeguy81 said:

Epic Store has a better revenue split than Steam stealing developers from them:

https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/25/steam-epic-games-store-revenue-share-sweeney-challenge/

Also known in economics as dumping.

 

No way they're making profits with 8 %


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In addition to what's been said, a number of crowdfunded games have suddenly made an exclusivity deal with Epic not long before release, which has rubbed a good number of people who funded said games the wrong way since suddenly the game that was once marketed to them as "a passion project that just needs you to fork over a couple of bucks so we can complete it" is now a cash cow of unspecified size for the developer.

 

It doesn't help that in some cases, the devs in question literally put out a message stating that they made the deal despite knowing there would be a backlash, as if the people they were "so thankful for helping us realize this project" can just be brushed aside as collateral damage the moment corporate money gets involved.

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On 5/13/2019 at 10:57 PM, fasauceome said:

so if it is spyware and he lied, I'd like to read an article if you've got one

You can install the good old peer guardian and turn it on and open epic launcher and see for yourself.

 

I have recently switched to a pfSense linux PC so i could block them through pfBlock and it works wonder. Only get connections from China when navigating web pages or epic launcher has been running for a minute or 2. I personally find it a big coincidence but i am not an expert enough to know if it's just a pure coincidence 100% of the time.

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On 5/14/2019 at 5:37 AM, OuterMarker said:

So what is the drama regarding Steam and Epic about?

 

If you want a game that is only on Epic, what is the problem with downloading it from Epic?

There isn't any problem, just some people think they are revolutionists while typing and crying about bad epic.

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