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Game of Thrones S8E5 rant [spoilers]

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*breathes in*

Holy shit how god awful is the writing for this season.

Are they intentionally throwing 8 years of story in the garbage just to see people wince?

 

They could have followed any fan theory and it would have been far better..

I thought episode 3 was unbelievably terrible for the story, but they topped it.

 

Varys the intelligent spy goes directly to Jon to discuss treason of his Aunt/Queen/Lover who he risked everything for. Smart move. Makes sense.

Never found out what was said to him in the fire.

 

Dothraki died at the beginning of the battle for winterfell. Magically reappear outside king's landing.

 

Northern forces/ Unsullied who both decided to fight for the living and the "breaker of chains" are cool with murdering the innocent. Goes against the idea of following Daenerys.

 

Daenerys' values take a 180 degree turn because she didn't get enough attention at the after party.

Wins the battle. Doesn't go for the red keep. Doesn't go for Cersei. Decides to instead burn living children and some of her own men.

"Mercy is our strength"

 

Euron survives his fleet being obliterated. Happens to wash ashore unharmed to meet Jamie. No mention of Cersei's baby; how he should have realized it wasn't his.

Lame fight scene that served no real purpose to the story. No Yara. He could have died on the ship. Who cares.

 

Arya has from the first episode been moving towards being more of a "badass"

Slipped by the Lannister forces right by Tywin. Risked her life to get that dumb little rapier sword. Laughed at her aunt Lysa's death. Left the Hound to die. Becomes a faceless. Killed the Freys. Killed the Night King.

Time to kill Cersei; back to scared little girl.

Magically survives being engulfed in dragon fire that has been exploding solid stone.

 

Sandor Clegane has been hell bent on killing his brother. It's been eluded to, expected, anticipated and hyped.

He cuts through the kings guard like carving a cake. Chambering, parrying, slashing at and stabbing  the gaps in their armour.

Lets Cersei walk right past him.

One minute later forgets anything he ever knew about swordsmanship. Wild slashes at heavy armour.

No meaningful dialogue from him before the climax of his character arc. Tackles his corpse brother to an unsatisfying or necessary death.

 

The Mountain Fuck you. Cabbage patch faced, Sloth from the Goonies looking ass.

An obedient corpse goes rouge and kills his creator.

Cheap laugh at best. The fight seemed like an afterthought. Also, was this a 4th actor for that role?

 

Jamie Lannister finds a way into the red keep that none of the other thousands of people fleeing dragon fire even think to try. None of the other thousands of people, fleeing a burning city, think to go down by the water. 

All to get back to Cersei for one last hug. No redemption. No filled pages in the white book. See ya Brianne.

 

Cersei Lannister could have just not been portrayed in this episode, wouldn't have made a difference. She just stood there.....

Nothing clever with wildfire. No tricks up her sleeve.

Whimpers with Jame and dies to rubble????

I thought Jofreys' death was lacking. The Night Kings death was deflating. This may have been more wasteful.

 

 

What was with the horse at the end? Do they think anyone cares what happens now?

Wild character inconsistency. Established plots thrown away. Chekhov's gun.

I can't see this as anything other than a middle finger to the devoted fans.

I don't believe they could be that oblivious after 8 years.

Could do a whole other list on episode 3.

*breathes out*

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I don't necessarily dislike where the story is going but I do agree with a few of your remarks. My main gripe is that they are compacting so much story in these 6 episodes. 

Also both the battles where cool to look at but not as exciting as the LOTR battles which seems like a missed opportunity


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12 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Varys the intelligent spy goes directly to Jon to discuss treason of his Aunt/Queen/Lover who he risked everything for. Smart move. Makes sense.

Never found out what was said to him in the fire.

He wasn't discussing treason, he was discussing wether Jon (the "true" Throne heir) should be king or not, that's not treason imho but discussing why doesn't he become king if he's the true heir

12 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Dothraki died at the beginning of the battle for winterfell. Magically reappear outside king's landing.

No one said that every Dothraki died, there were many (like Jorah) that fleed back

12 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Northern forces/ Unsullied who both decided to fight for the living and the "breaker of chains" are cool with murdering the innocent. Goes against the idea of following Daenerys.

When your higher ranked decides to attack (Grey Worm wanted his "justice" and knew he could get it, you can blame Daenerys here as the "breaker of chains" murdering the innocent), his army just follow him as every army would do because they are at war, they are assaulting Kings landing

12 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Euron survives his fleet being obliterated. Happens to wash ashore unharmed to meet Jamie. Lame fight scene that served no real purpose to the story. No Yara. He could have died on the ship. Who cares.

He's from the Iron Islands, what did you expect when thrown to the water? The fight was fair, Euron was tired of swimming and surviving, he is selfish and wanted to kill Jamie from the beginning, and Jamie was tired too of running from one place to another (and a fight with only one hand...), wether Euron dies in the ship or by Jamie, he's dead and Jamie's too, it's lame how they both die at the end btw

12 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Arya has from the first episode been moving towards being more of a """"""badass"""""""

Time to kill Cersei; back to scared little girl.

Magically survives being engulfed in dragon fire that has been exploding solid stone.

It's not about being scared about killing Cersei, is that Sandor told her that he was going to kill the Queen, and he knew there was no going back because the whole damn place was on fire and tearing down, and Arya understood that it wasn't worth dying for just vengeance (she has more to live), about magically surviving didn't Jon magically survived the Battle of Bastards too? I don't know, with all those horses running at full speed around him and the enemies, not even a scratch until he found Bolton

12 hours ago, StarsMars said:

Sandor Clegane One minute later forgets anything he ever knew about swordsmanship. Wild slashes at heavy armour.

No meaningful dialogue from him before the climax of his character arc. Tackles his corpse brother to an unsatisfying or necessary death.

You can clearly notice how strong the Mountain is (destroying stones with his fists and sword), imagine having to kill him in a 1v1 fight, Gregor has always been stronger and more skillful than Sandor and you should consider that Gregor knew it, no meaningful dialogue because that's how Gregor is, no stupid dialogue but blood, and unsatisfying death... I don't know, we can clearly see the dark magic of Sandor, who can't die so... We had a shitty 1v1 fight before in which both died in a ridiculous way, not this one

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I think some of you are being a bit unfair, of course it's not the best episode and some of you may not like how the show is ending, but there are hundreds of theories of how it will end and obviously there will be thousands of people disappointed by how it all ends (one way or another, if Jon is king there will be disappointment, if Danerys is queen too, if there's no king too, if Sansa's queen too, etc)

I understand that this episode may be one of the worst, I really hated when grey worm run for it and start killing the enemies, I really hated that Daenerys went back to be that stupid girl with only a throne in mind (congrats, blondie, now you can sit over the ashes and shit you left) and it's like going back to the first season, no character development I see

Only thing I can think of is that Varys tried to make Jon king, and sent crows to the remaining Vassal Houses of Targaryen and the South in order to defeat Daenerys, because the Northern army will always want a Stark sitting on the throne, "The King in the North", but I don't really want Jon being king, I bet there would be seven kingdoms, in an alliance (Gendry Baratheon and Arya Stark, Jon Stark and Daenerys Targaryen, maybe Jamie Lannister and Brienne of Tarth, Sansa Stark and idk Tyrion Lannister?), because of how strong blood bonds would be

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For me, three things that bugged me the most

 

1) One dragon for some reason looks more effective than 3 dragons. And it's beyond me how they couldn't use scorpions that were places in multiple, if not all Ironborn ships, to shoot down the freaking beast. I guess plot armour

 

2) I get the director's logic for turning Dany crazy. But they needed a lot more episodes to show her sentiment changing rather than rushing it with Missande's death. And even if they were planning to do this, it would've been far more convincing if Dany turns crazy and starts burning everything after Cersei perhaps somehow uses Civilians against Dany with wildfire placed all over the city or something. It was extremely stupid that she just started killing everyone after they peacefully surrendered instead. It made no sense at all and it is a product of lazy writing, no doubt, just like the Night King's death.

 

3) Jaime! They character develop him into this amazing person in the course of 8 seasons and they throw everything away with his pointless death. Like what the fuck! Don't tell me his entire purpose was to just goto Cersei and die underground while hugging her. It would've made a far compelling story if he was responsible for her death, after say perhaps witnessing her ruthlessness and the fact that Cersei sent Bronn to kill Jaime. So stupid.

 

Other Titbits:

 

  •  I really thought Arya was dead. Like multiple times. Why? What was the point of us watching her running around the city, basically see her get overwhelmed by the fire, debri and stampede, but then again show her waking up and running. And in the end, there was a unicorn horse waiting for her which was just plain weird.

 

  • I remember having a discussion with a friend on how disappointing the Night King's episode was and how fast it all ended. But he was like they're probably preparing for the main the war, especially when Cersie is known to be extremely cunning and twisted with her methods. But there was absolutely nothing. Did she honestly expect a bunch of ships and army was going to stop the dragon? And really was her only plan for the dragon, that glorified crossbow? It's impossible to understand her confidence before if she had nothing planned. Of course this isn't Lena Headey's fault but the lazy writing.

 

  • Cleagne bowl could've been done few episodes earlier before the battle of Kings Landing (that is if they had decided to stick with 10 episodes, instead of shorting it for now reason). Like it wasn't relevant in anyway to the main battle and Sandor just allows Cersie to pass him. And his death should've been more eventful, instead of him leaping off with his half dead zombified brother

 

Was the episode bad? Maybe not. But the plot makes no sense and honestly I feel sorry for people who actually think this was a good episode because I have seen far far better writing, especially in animes, like the latest Attack on Titan

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A couple of things bugged me.

  1. I've been saying for a while that I could picture them doing a mad queen Dany arc. But they needed more time to do it. Like if this had been a full 10 episode or even 8 episode season I'd have less issues with it but the fact of the matter is that they rushed it with Missandei's death turning Dany from slightly threatened by Jon's claim to the throne (which he's told her a load of times he doesn't want in the first place) to full murder hobo burning innocent civilians who are surrendering.
  2. Jaime's ending. I hated the direction they took sending him south. They pissed all over the character development he'd had since the beginning and if they hadn't given him that dumbass death, at the point he was at in his arc, it wouldn't have been a huge stretch to see him take up his seat as Lord of Casterly Rock under Dany or Jon on the Iron Throne.

 

Most of the issues I've had with this season are mostly due to the lack of episodes when they clearly have enough story to fill more. The abandonment of years worth of character development and the insane amount of plot armour. I don't mind plot armour for a few cool shots now that then but Arya should have been dead a dozen times over in that episode.

 

All that being said. I didn't hate that episode. I thought it was more of a return to form for the season cause the stakes were higher, the lighting was plentiful, and I honestly have no clue what's going to happen next week. I really wish I didn't have to wait until the Tuesday night to watch it cause I feel like watching it the night before an exam is a really dumbass idea.


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