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Bill was set in the USA on loot boxes and micro transactions.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I was saying about loot boxes were a type of gambling and now it set in black and white. The United State of America set the bill to ban loot boxes and micro transactions from any game.

 

A video that talks about this in better detail.

Under the fair use act.

 

The point is, I been saying and many other YouTuber's, about banning loot boxes and micro transactions ever sence Star wars battlefront 2 and it happened. I was explain that loot boxes and micro transactions was not gambling, but I stuck to my gun and was adamant that they were. Now that the US have made "The protecting children from abusive games act".

 

It get it that others don't see loot boxes and micro transactions as gambling, and I can see why. We accepted this as normal and think nothing of it. I have to admit it did at first and battlefront 2

as I looked at it as a feature.

 

Should other countries follow what the USA have done? 

 

Leave your thoughts below.

 

I will be updating the information as more details appears.


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I don't think the bill has passed yet.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Okay let hope so.


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          Gosh, there has been some really weird laws passed ( not particularly from the USA ) for instance like the Porn Ban in the.. UK I think? But also some pretty awful ones in the USA so it almost seems the USA is trying to redeem itself now for all the stupid bills passed by the intellectual house of representatives and senate. This bill ( assuming if passed ) would be quite reasonable. Because I think we can all agree that EA can shove it's micro transaction garbage up it's asshole. 


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Looks like two parties in the U.S. have agreed about loot boxes and micro transactions in the ban for this bill. https://kotaku.com/both-democrats-and-republicans-agree-loot-boxes-bad-1834650091


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Posted · Original PosterOP

So the FTC has been tasked to enforce the rule.


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I can see how Micro transactions can be seen as gambling. Think of it modern day gambling has low cost frequent use, sound familiar? I could go out today and buy a lotto for $2, then another after the draw and so on. For games with look boxes or like Pokemon Go which has $1 Raid passes you could be binge spending $1 every couple of minutes thinking "it's only a buck".

 

I'm not agreeing with outright banning it in total, but I do think it is a issue and that something needs to be done. I like buying stuff in games I like playing and it would suck to see it outright destroyed(even tho where I live it should effect it yet), but there are those out there that have no control (like gambling addiction) and spend spend spend destroying their lives.

 

Game programmers know exactly what they where doing when they made the loot boxes and paid to win mechanizes esp the ones that look liked casino slots, that is literally a plea to get hit with a court hammer...

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Posted · Original PosterOP
8 minutes ago, Egg-Roll said:

I can see how Micro transactions can be seen as gambling. Think of it modern day gambling has low cost frequent use, sound familiar? I could go out today and buy a lotto for $2, then another after the draw and so on. For games with look boxes or like Pokemon Go which has $1 Raid passes you could be binge spending $1 every couple of minutes thinking "it's only a buck".

 

I'm not agreeing with outright banning it in total, but I do think it is a issue and that something needs to be done. I like buying stuff in games I like playing and it would suck to see it outright destroyed(even tho where I live it should effect it yet), but there are those out there that have no control (like gambling addiction) and spend spend spend destroying their lives.

 

Game programmers know exactly what they where doing when they made the loot boxes and paid to win mechanizes esp the ones that look liked casino slots, that is literally a plea to get hit with a court hammer...

So, this is what I'm getting from the articles so far. It not going to be a complete banned on loot boxes and micro transactions, but how their used. So and game that has gambling with loot boxes and so on, will have the 18+ attached to the games case or online gaming stores with the already categorized gambling label. It only aimed at kids and not at teen at 18+ or adults.


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https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/2019-05-08_Protecting-Children-Abusive-Games-Act_One-Pager.pdf 

None of the game news sites have published the source document yet so I thought I'd link it. 

To be clear there is not even a bill for it, yet! Just a rough outline for one. 

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The Protecting Children from Abusive Games Act
Senator Hawley’s legislation would apply new consumer protections to games played by minors including:
    • Games targeted at those under the age of 18.
    • This would be determined by subject matter, visual content, and other indicators similar to those used to determine applicability of the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA)
    • Games with wider audiences whose developers knowingly allow minor players to engage in microtransactions

In such games, this bill would prohibit several forms of manipulative design:
Loot Boxes
    • Microtransactions offering randomized or partially randomized rewards to players 
Pay-to-Win
    • Manipulation of a game’s progression system – typically by building artificial difficulty or other barriers into game progression – to induce players to spend money on microtransactions to advance through content supposedly available to them at no additional cost
    • Pay-to-win - Manipulation of the competitive balance between players of multiplayer games by allowing players who purchase microtransactions competitive advantages over other players

Enforcement
    • These rules would be enforced by the Federal Trade Commission, which would treat the distribution of such games by publishers and online distributors as an unfair trade practice.
    • State attorneys general would also be empowered to file suit to defend the residents of their states. 

 

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, jake9000 said:

https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/2019-05-08_Protecting-Children-Abusive-Games-Act_One-Pager.pdf 

None of the game news sites have published the source document yet so I thought I'd link it. 

To be clear there is not even a bill for it, yet! Just a rough outline for one. 

 

That is a good start in any case.


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This isn't going to stop micro-transactions. It is just going to remove the pay real money for a box with random items inside. So as long as you KNOW exactly what you are getting from the purchase it is fine... it is only when that purchase leads to a random reward.

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Not necessarily. I think the P2W clause is intended to curb direct item buying if it can be shown that the items have an effect on the game's progression. 

It also would not apply to M-rated games or to customers over the age of 18, so it's not like mtx and lootboxes actually have to go away, they just have to be restricted. 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
5 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

This isn't going to stop micro-transactions. It is just going to remove the pay real money for a box with random items inside. So as long as you KNOW exactly what you are getting from the purchase it is fine... it is only when that purchase leads to a random reward.

I agree with that statement. This is one method which is being used on one other game now and it works really well. The game that is doing what you have suggested is borderland 2.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
12 minutes ago, jake9000 said:

Not necessarily. I think the P2W clause is intended to curb direct item buying if it can be shown that the items have an effect on the game's progression. 

It also would not apply to M-rated games or to customers over the age of 18, so it's not like mtx and lootboxes actually have to go away, they just have to be restricted. 

All we can do is wait. I have no idea how their going to rate this, but the might put the 18+ with the gambling label. Not the m-rating, 


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23 minutes ago, Thunder87 said:

So, this is what I'm getting from the articles so far. It not going to be a complete banned on loot boxes and micro transactions, but how their used. So and game that has gambling with loot boxes and so on, will have the 18+ attached to the games case or online gaming stores with the already categorized gambling label. It only aimed at kids and not at teen at 18+ or adults.

You do know if this passed is going to cause a serious financial hit regardless right? Tho the hit that it's going to do imo should have been so big in the first place. So many new games see it as a much needed income not extra who gives a crap fund. GTA 5 showed it was possible to make a game w/o requiring transactions to break even, and if they ever grow up and release RDR2 to PC I'll buy it too. Most old school games never needed extra purchases (wow not included), even today companies like SCS try their damnedest to avoid DLCs that cost lots of money, but if they do they usually are not weeks apart and are actual game updates that if not gotten don't hinder other players at all.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
52 minutes ago, Egg-Roll said:

You do know if this passed is going to cause a serious financial hit regardless right?

Asking this question on discord and your questions has a contradiction. Looks to be fine for the financial market.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Thunder87 said:

Asking this question on discord and you questions has a contradiction.

I'm guessing you are referring to the regardless. I have no idea why I typed that, but as mentioned in the BOINC topic I am eating at which time I do tend to make mistakes ;)

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5 minutes ago, Egg-Roll said:

I'm guessing you are referring to the regardless. I have no idea why I typed that, but as mentioned in the BOINC topic I am eating at which time I do tend to make mistakes ;)

Fair enough 😊


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On 5/12/2019 at 2:53 AM, AngryBeaver said:

This isn't going to stop micro-transactions. It is just going to remove the pay real money for a box with random items inside. So as long as you KNOW exactly what you are getting from the purchase it is fine... it is only when that purchase leads to a random reward.

I can foresee a shift towards the model that Blizzard is using in China for Hearthstone - you don't buy a pack of cards there, but rather some dust (crafting material that can be used for cards) and get an amount of free packs with the purchase.

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On 5/12/2019 at 1:02 AM, MS-DOS Guy said:

          Gosh, there has been some really weird laws passed ( not particularly from the USA ) for instance like the Porn Ban in the.. UK I think?

Not a ban but a requirement to prove age before being able to access porn. Having an "Are you over 18?" message box isn't that hard to get around.

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