16-Core Ryzen 9 3000 Series ES Sample spotted & Zen 2 is a Memory OC Beast, DDR4-5000 Possible! (Updated)

[sazrocks]

2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

So, because he was right before means he's auto-correct now?  I'd like to see his proof not go on blind faith. 

We're not saying this is 100% definitely true. But, based on the source's history, it is probably true. I don't call that blind faith. 

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And again, this is just adding to hype.

Upcoming product leaks tend to do that.

[Jurrunio]

42 minutes ago, MadDuke said:

It's not a problem to push above 180W.  It's a problem to push on stock with a CPU which should in theory work normally even on a B350 board-

this is already the case on the 2700X, it boosts to varying levels depending on your board.

[S w a t s o n]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

IDC that much about phones tbh, but I'm get sick of the blind hype bs for Zen 2.  People really can't wait for Computex, so they consume shit like this as if it's the final product.  Been going on for over a year now.  Maybe I'm just being sadistic, but I really hope AMD doesn't meet what a lot of people were expecting.  AKA those who keep riding the hype train.  That's how sick of this shit I am.

lmao at least you admit your bias, unfortunately for you that meme isnt coming true with Ryzen 3000. we're all ready to ditch our meme overpriced quadcores for 4 times the cores. Intel got greedy and lazy, as a result there is not much support for them right now but once the market equalizes, you'll see more support on both sides.

[Drak3]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

this is already the case on the 2700X, it boosts to varying levels depending on your board.

Power draw might be 180W, but TDP isn't.

[GOTSpectrum]

18 minutes ago, Ithanul said:

Plus, that with 1/2 the IF as well.

 

I rather not even 1/2 the IF, but stick to around 3200-3466MHz speeds with tighter timings and full IF speeds.

AMD have said they are looking to decouple the IF speed away from ram speed afaik

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Power draw might be 180W, but TDP isn't.

that's why I said it depends on the stock settings. They could drop the base clock to the floor, says it's 95w, and only people with the best of boards get to sustain its full speed when overclocking

[Ithanul]

6 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said:

AMD have said they are looking to decouple the IF speed away from ram speed afaik

Hopefully they can do it.  Though, what I read, even these newer ones will set the IF to a 1/2 divider mode if trying to go higher on RAM speed.

 

The operation of the memory control to IO die should be a nice boost still.

I been following 1usmus for some time since I found his Ryzen RAM calculator.

[Hifihedgehog]

2 hours ago, MadDuke said:

Don't remember a single case with an AMD CPU where that was the truth.

1st Gen 8-core Ryzen engineering sample (1D2801A2M88E4_32/28_N):

2.8 GHz base, 3.2 GHz boost

 

1st Gen Ryzen 7 1800X:

3.6 GHz base, 4.0 GHz boost.

 

Conclusion: 800 MHz increase for base and boost clocks from engineering sample to production model for 1st Gen 8-core Ryzen processors.

[Stefan Payne]

40 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

lmao at least you admit your bias

Yeah, against bullshit/hyping.

Though I disagree with what he said, I agree that we should stop the Hype Train. Because THAT is the biggest Problem that AMD has. 
Either its propagated by the Intel/nVidia side to hype stuff to heaven high, because they know that AMD can't deliver, the people will be disapointed and then buy Intel/nViida instead. 

Or overly enthusiastic AMD fans.

The result is the same -> Disapointment and loss in "Prestige".

 

We should tone it down and say its bullshit and assume +5% IPC and +10% Clockratre.

 

If they then deliver +10% IPC and 15% Clockrate we are way happier than when we assume 20% IPC and 50% Clockrate and get 15% IPC and 25% Clockrate, aren't we??

40 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

unfortunately for you that meme isnt coming true with Ryzen 3000.

The Problem I have right now is that he might be right.

The leaks are just too good to be true and make no sense.

 

I mean think about it, DDR4-5000??? Why? For what??

Or do they mean that its half way to DDR-5??

Here Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR5_SDRAM

 

THAT sounds more likely that there is some DDR-5 SDRAM Stuff inside than "DDR4-5000".

 

40 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

we're all ready to ditch our meme overpriced quadcores for 4 times the cores.

I'm not.

I don't even have an Intel 4 Core in use.

Only 2 Cores and 6 Cores

But I do have an AMD 4 Core in use and an AMD 8 Core as well as a 2 Module one.

 

40 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Intel got greedy and lazy, as a result there is not much support for them right now but once the market equalizes, you'll see more support on both sides.

That is that.

This is this.

Two different things. 

Just because Intel was lazy doesn't mean we should overhype Ryzen 3.

 

I want to see AMD succeed and for that _WE_ need to tone the speculation down and be on the lower side, so that we can be surprised!!
And I rather sit in front of the screen and be happy about the awesomeness of the release because its better than what we expected than to be disapointed because the expectations were too high.

[williamcll]

So how fast is this compared to the current threadripper?

[Stefan Payne]

3 minutes ago, williamcll said:

So how fast is this compared to the current threadripper?

Depends on the Workload and how much Bandwith you need.

If you need the bandwith (OR I/O) Threadripper is till better.

 

And they probably won't kill Threadripper, it will just get wider -> up to 32 Cores, maybe 64 Cores?? But I doubt 64 COres because of clockrates...

[S w a t s o n]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

 

Lmao and you're going to buy an AMD 16 core when they come out so it doesnt really matter.

[Stefan Payne]

9 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Lmao and you're going to buy an AMD 16 core when they come out so doesnt really matter.

Not sure If I stick with 8 Cores or go 16.

My OCD doesn't like castrates, so probalby 16...

[S w a t s o n]

7 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Not sure If I stick with 8 Cores or go 16.

My OCD doesn't like castrates, so probalby 16...

3 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

At no point did he state that, and I highly doubt he is.  You just want everyone to conform to one company because you're sick of 2 others.  That's being biased.

 

[S w a t s o n]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

That's not saying he will and we're having conversation right now where's he's actually probably going to live with his 8 core.  Would you like a screenshot of that?  Also, he stated that after you made an assumption that he will.  XD  And, he said "probably" no that he will which means he was questioning it not basing it on an absolute.  There's a difference.  e.e Again, you're being biased based on your hatred for Intel.  XD

Dude, read my posts in this thread I'm not so sure what you're mad about. I said this guys a reliable leaker and that these matter to people. Because I think they can reach 5ghz? Did i make a big huge deal and post it a bunch of times or something? y r u so mad bro?

[S w a t s o n]

Just now, valdyrgramr said:

That you are being so arrogant that you're taking someone questioning if they will do something as an absolute.  You literally stated that you think Intel is a meme, and that you pretty much want everyone to conform to AMD with you that's being biased.  XD  I get it you have great love for AMD, you hate Intel, but you're being biased about the whole thing.  And, you're showing why I hate hypetrain express in the process because it makes people arrogant.

Intel is going to make a great GPU and I plan to consider it closely. I dont blindly hate intel. I do believe they've over-monopolized the market and been lazy and greedy in that regard. my sides

[imreloadin]

8 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

So a few things, while the clockspeeds appear to be lower than expected according to previous rumors.

You mean to say that these are actually in the realm of realism whereas all the 5 GHz crowd is pretty much in bat shit crazy land

 

There will NOT be a Ryzen 3000 series CPU that turbos up to 5 GHz, anyone believing this is just setting themselves up for disappointment...

[BiG StroOnZ]

1 minute ago, imreloadin said:

You mean to say that these are actually in the realm of realism whereas all the 5 GHz crowd is pretty much in bat shit crazy land

 

There will NOT be a Ryzen 3000 series CPU that turbos up to 5 GHz, anyone believing this is just setting themselves up for disappointment...

 

Actually, to be frank and completely honest, I'm not banking on 5GHz. I do believe that anything in the realm of 4.5GHz+ is a win though.

[Stefan Payne]

6 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

That's not saying he will and we're having conversation right now where's he's actually probably going to live with his 8 core. 

Yeah, it basically depends on the price, how high the Premium for the 16 Core is.

500€ is something I really really have to think about.

And it depends on how much the 8 Core will be. 

If its 200€ vs 500€, I'm not going to get the 16 Core.

 

It all depends on my Bank Account and what the difference between the two is.

I'd like to have a 16 Core but its not certain (yet)...

 

[Stefan Payne]

7 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Intel is going to make a great GPU and I plan to consider it closely. I dont blindly hate intel. I do believe they've over-monopolized the market and been lazy and greedy in that regard. my sides

Intel is not as bad as nVidia and between the two, I'd chose Intel without a second thought.

[imreloadin]

Just now, BiG StroOnZ said:

I do believe that anything in the realm of 4.5GHz+ is a win though.

Give me this with a 10-15% IPC increase over Ryzen 2000 series and it's as good as sold in my book!

[S w a t s o n]

5 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

There will NOT be a Ryzen 3000 series CPU that turbos up to 5 GHz, anyone believing this is just setting themselves up for disappointment...
bat shit crazy land

rude

I wont die on that hill but if you cant OC to 5GHz on 16 cores with very good air cooling or water, I'll be damned

[Stefan Payne]

7 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

You mean to say that these are actually in the realm of realism whereas all the 5 GHz crowd is pretty much in bat shit crazy land

 

There will NOT be a Ryzen 3000 series CPU that turbos up to 5 GHz, anyone believing this is just setting themselves up for disappointment...

Well, its possible.

Lets take 2700X and assume a moderate +10% higher clocks:
3,7GHz base -> *1,1 ~4,1GHz

4,3GHz Boost -> 4,73GHz

 

Its not totally impossible, question is: will they do it? Do they get enough Dies that do that frequency??

 

The 5GHz seem like its unreachable but if you think about it, its just 15% more than the 2700X does max. boost to right now...

And we are talking about a major shrink (OK, and moving from one foundry to another) and a total rework of the Cores...

 

That means that it depends on AMD's design goal.

What was their goal?
Don't give a shit about Clockrate and move towards maximum Efficiency?
Increase the Clockrate and sacrifice Efficiency a bit??

 

But you're right, its more probable that they moved with the Efficiency and not so much increase in clockrate....

 

PS: We have a good comparisation between VEGA10 and 20, don't we?

[RejZoR]

So, they meant 5GHz on the memory, not on the CPU cores XD

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

So, they meant 5GHz on the memory, not on the CPU cores XD

Be a sad day when your memory out clocks your CPU lol.