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2700x with a 2060 good combo?

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 hours ago, Rigg said:

Hmmmm. You're in a tough spot. It sounds like you need an upgrade ASAP. The 1700 is the best value buy of that bunch IMO but will probably get even cheaper in as little as a month from now. Would you be okay to wait at least until then if not until July? 

 

I think your best bet is to buy really good parts all around save for the GPU and CPU right now with the goal of upgrading CPU/GPU/monitor in 6 months to a year. I'd suggest the cheapest used RX 570/480/580 8gb card you can find paired with the cheapest used ryzen CPU you can find now. My local classifieds are littered with stuff like that. That should cover anything at 1080p60 for now. Then do an incremental upgrade of the GPU, CPU, and Monitor later this year when Ryzen 3000 is widely available and possibly slightly discounted during the holiday sales. At that point you could reassess your resolution and frame rate goals with the GPU's that are available at that point. Navi is around the corner as well. 

Yeah,  it's a little annoying when you have the cash to spend but you have to wait for the upgrade to happen. Which is why it's so tempting to pull the trigger right now and buy both the parts. In terms of saving up, the thing is I have more than enough but I don't particularly want to spend more than £1150, as I have other things I want to buy. 

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Yes, that is a good idea but only if you can find a good 2060 for 150bucks less than a good 2070 and my problem was that there were no good 2060s which were sold at MSRP but there were at least two models of the 2070 at MSRP which were actually quite good - the MSI Armor which I have and the EVGA Black. Both models are very decent while the lower end MSRP 2060s aren't nearly as high quality in terms of cooler and fan solution. The price/performance advantage kinda shrinks when you go for the higher end models of the 2060.


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Just now, Hans Power said:

Yes, that is a good idea but only if you can find a good 2060 for 150bucks less than a good 2070 and my problem was that there were no good 2060s which were sold at MSRP but there were at least two models of the 2070 at MSRP which were actually quite good - the MSI Armor which I have and the EVGA Black. Both models are very decent while the lower end 2060s aren't nearly as high quality in terms of cooler and fan solution. The price/performance advantage kinda shrinks when you go for the higher end models of the 2060.

It's like £100 more for a base 2070 than say an MSI Gaming Z, and since you can clock the 2060 to meet the 2070 performance it's really tempting to do so. 

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1 minute ago, TEHDARKSIDE said:

It's like £100 more for a base 2070 than say an MSI Gaming Z, and since you can clock the 2060 to meet the 2070 performance it's really tempting to do so. 

Yeah, £100 sounds like an alright proposition. For me it came down to a 90€ difference for a somewhat decent card and even less for a high-end 2060. It's all about what the prices are for you, atm. Also, I need my Skyrim 4-8k texture mods in my life so, you know - you gotta do, what you gotta do...


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Just now, Hans Power said:

Yeah, £100 sounds like an alright proposition. For me it came down to a 90€ difference for a somewhat decent card and even less for a high-end 2060. It's all about what the prices are for you, atm. Also, I need my Skyrim 4-8k texture mods in my life so, you know - you gotta do, what you gotta do...

I just need something for Cyberpunk 2077 and the Master Cheif collection. I kinda need those games in my life right now. XD

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7 minutes ago, TEHDARKSIDE said:

I just need something for Cyberpunk 2077 and the Master Cheif collection. I kinda need those games in my life right now. XD

Yeah, that'll most likely do it. Btw, I want to point at another thing I usually look out for when buying a new GPU and that is the Steam Hardware survey. The reason is that Gaming developers usually optimize for the card which is used by most people. With the 9xx generation it was the 970 for example, so devs optimized their games to reach 1080p60 high/ultra with that card. For this generation it seems to be the 2060, so you should be good. Here's the source:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Latest-Steam-hardware-survey-suggests-GeForce-RTX-20-series-sales-are-on-the-up.416022.0.html

Edit, oh, sorry, I read it wrong - it's actually the 2070 but the 2060 is on the rise - it was released later after all.


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Yes. For 99.9% of gaming, it's an excellent combo.

 

Though, new hardware is going to be dropping in a few months.

4 hours ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I have a 2700X with a GTX 1080, which is about the same performance as the 2060, and the GTX 1080 is at 100% usage for most games I throw at it.

But that's unpossible!! The internatz tell me Ryzen is the suck for gaming!!


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And look what I've found in the dirt.

 

Pale battered body

Seems she was struggling

Something is wrong with this world.

 

Fierce Bloody Angel

The blood is on your hands

Why did you come to this world?

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

The blood is on your hands.

 

The blood is on your hands!

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Hans Power said:

Yeah, that'll most likely do it. Btw, I want to point at another thing I usually look out for when buying a new GPU and that is the Steam Hardware survey. The reason is that Gaming developers usually optimize for the card which is used by most people. With the 9xx generation it was the 970 for example, so devs optimized their games to reach 1080p60 high/ultra with that card. For this generation it seems to be the 2060, so you should be good. Here's the source:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Latest-Steam-hardware-survey-suggests-GeForce-RTX-20-series-sales-are-on-the-up.416022.0.html

Yup, hence why I was looking at 2060, Hardware unboxed did a comparison video and it was a 2-5 frame difference even at 1440p.

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2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Yes. For 99.9% of gaming, it's an excellent combo.

 

Though, new hardware is going to be dropping in a few months.

But that's unpossible!! The internatz tell me Ryzen is the suck for gaming!!

Pretty sure I've seen people with the 2700x and a 2080ti with little to no bottleneck. 

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2 minutes ago, TEHDARKSIDE said:

Pretty sure I've seen people with the 2700x and a 2080ti with little to no bottleneck. 

I kind of wish people would stop worrying about this and focus on if they're getting the performance they want.

 

Because you know a Pentium with a GT 1030 is a well balanced system. Therefore, it's better than an i5 with a 2080Ti

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Just now, TEHDARKSIDE said:

Yup, hence why I was looking at 2060, Hardware unboxed did a comparison video and it was a 2-5 frame difference even at 1440p.

Keep in mind that this 5FPS difference in some games are right on the edge of reaching 60 with Ultra settings. Monster Hunter World for example which is a massive resource hog. But it's certainly a minority of games. When I bought my GPU I wanted the extra edge to keep me comfy in those situations.


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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Yes. For 99.9% of gaming, it's an excellent combo.

 

Though, new hardware is going to be dropping in a few months.

But that's unpossible!! The internatz tell me Ryzen is the suck for gaming!!

The thing is I kinda, want/need a new system right now. My current 8320 and 7870 is really struggling with the games I want to play. So as much as I want to wait, I also really want to just buy the parts and build asap, so I can play mordhau with friends. 

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Just now, TEHDARKSIDE said:

Pretty sure I've seen people with the 2700x and a 2080ti with little to no bottleneck. 

Ryzen still has an ever so slightly marginal bottleneck with low res/high frame rate gaming, but that's it. So, no looking at becoming a professional loser CS:GO player.

1 minute ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I kind of wish people would stop worrying about this and focus on if they're getting the performance they want.

What if you're the kind of person that wants all the performance? All the benchies?

 

Just now, TEHDARKSIDE said:

So as much as I want to wait, I also really want to just buy the parts and build asap, so I can play mordhau with friends. 

Then build! I don't expect Ryzen 3XXX chips have huge gains over 2XXX chips (other than maybe x2 core counts).


Come Bloody Angel

Break off your chains

And look what I've found in the dirt.

 

Pale battered body

Seems she was struggling

Something is wrong with this world.

 

Fierce Bloody Angel

The blood is on your hands

Why did you come to this world?

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

The blood is on your hands.

 

The blood is on your hands!

 

Pyo.

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1 minute ago, Hans Power said:

Keep in mind that this 5FPS difference in some games are right on the edge of reaching 60 with Ultra settings. Monster Hunter World for example which is a massive resource hog. But it's certainly a minority of games. When I bought my GPU I wanted the extra edge to keep me comfy in those situations.

How is the 2070 armour? I was looking at that and the evga black (Heard really good things about the warranty). 

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6 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Ryzen still has an ever so slightly marginal bottleneck with low res/high frame rate gaming, but that's it. So, no looking at becoming a professional loser CS:GO player.

What if you're the kind of person that wants all the performance? All the benchies?

 

Then build! I don't expect Ryzen 3XXX chips have huge gains over 2XXX chips (other than maybe x2 core counts).

I can, in the end, buy next years chips anyway, if they release new cpus. Since AM4 is guaranteed support until 2020, just need to hope that the motherboard gets a BIOS update for the 4000 series. 

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15 minutes ago, TEHDARKSIDE said:

How is the 2070 armour? I was looking at that and the evga black (Heard really good things about the warranty). 

I really like it - it's rather quiet but not completely silent, uses ball bearings for the fans (much higher durability than the shitty sleeve bearings many other manufacturers use in their low end GPUs) and has a 114% power limit which might help a bit with overclocking. The EVGA Black is also good - it uses Fluid Dynamic Bearings for its fans but only goes up to a 107% power limit. Keep in mind, that both cards only come with a non "A" chip which is reserved for high end 2070s which will overclock even higher. My card still manages to pull off a core clock speed of ~2050Mhz (+200 offset) which is quite good and a memory overclock of +600Mhz without even trying which is excellent. Mine uses Samsung memory, btw (which is always preferable), and for a while all 2070s did due to the micron production crisis. But that might have been resolved by now so that you might start seeing micron memory again.


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9 minutes ago, Hans Power said:

I really like it - it's rather quiet but not completely silent, uses ball bearings for the fans (much higher durability than the shitty sleeve bearings many other manufacturers use in their low end GPUs) and has a 114% power limit which might help a bit with overclocking. The EVGA Black is also good - it uses Fluid Dynamic Bearings for its fans but only goes up to a 107% power limit. Keep in mind, that both cards only come with a non "A" chip which is reserved for high end 2070s which will overclock even higher. My card still manages to pull off a core clock speed of ~2050Mhz (+200 offset) which is quite good and a memory overclock +600Mhz without even trying which is excellent. Mine uses Samsung memory, btw (which is always preferable), and for a while all 2070s did due to the micron production crisis. But that might have been resolved by now so that you might start seeing micron memory again.

With the exception of the price, my only other concern about the 2070 is the artifacting that was happening with the early models, any idea what the chances are of myself getting one with this issue and is this prevalent in the current releases?

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2 minutes ago, TEHDARKSIDE said:

any idea what the chances are of myself getting one with this issue? 

I believe that was due to buggy drivers, not bad hardware.


Come Bloody Angel

Break off your chains

And look what I've found in the dirt.

 

Pale battered body

Seems she was struggling

Something is wrong with this world.

 

Fierce Bloody Angel

The blood is on your hands

Why did you come to this world?

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

The blood is on your hands.

 

The blood is on your hands!

 

Pyo.

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Just now, TEHDARKSIDE said:

With the exception of the price, my only other concern about the 2070 is the artifacting that was happening with the early models, any idea what the chances are of myself getting one with this issue? 

That was the micron memory producion crisis, I was mentioning. That's why all 2070s were released with Samsung memory shortly after that happened. Those don't have that issue and Samsung memory is usually better than Micron, anyway, even when everything works correctly. I think chances of getting a faulty one are very low - most if not all of them should be out of the loop by now - you'd have to be extremely unlucky to get one. And in that case you could still RMA it.

It worked out as an advantage for many customers, tho, cause you were pretty much guaranteed to get a card with Samsung memory for a while. Not sure, tho if that's still the case.


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20 minutes ago, TEHDARKSIDE said:

I can, in the end, buy next years chips anyway, if they release new cpus. Since AM4 is guaranteed support until 2020, just need to hope that the motherboard gets a BIOS update for the 4000 series. 

MSI and Asus already announced which boards will get 3000 support. Pretty much any b450 or x470 worth buying will get it. I think you'll get good mileage out of a 2700/1700 and 2060. If you go 1440p none of this 3000 debate really matters until you upgrade GPU down the road. Even if aiming at high refresh 1080p it won't really matter much. If you can get over 100 fps the chances of noticing another 15 fps is slim. You can always upgrade in 2-3 years or whatever. I'm sure the 3000 series will still be legit a couple years from now with a new GPU. 

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I think you should stick to the cheapest 2060's and/or 2070's. Not worth the extra money for what you get. There are entry level cards with good coolers they'll just be slightly louder. In some cases the cheap cards will overclock better. 

 

Also paying more for a 2700/2700x isn't worth it over the 1700/1700x. Especially since you already have a good cooler. This assumes you are comfortable doing a really easy over clock. Put that money toward a B-Die kit or better PSU. 

 

Which Noctua cooler do you have?

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Posted · Original PosterOP
25 minutes ago, Rigg said:

I think you should stick to the cheapest 2060's and/or 2070's. Not worth the extra money for what you get. There are entry level cards with good coolers they'll just be slightly louder. In some cases the cheap cards will overclock better. 

 

Also paying more for a 2700/2700x isn't worth it over the 1700/1700x. Especially since you already have a good cooler. This assumes you are comfortable doing a really easy over clock. Put that money toward a B-Die kit or better PSU. 

 

Which Noctua cooler do you have?

It's an older style, but Noctua offer a free bracket, if you show proof of purchase of a mobo and the cooler. It's the  NH-C12P SE14

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yes, it is a perfect combo whatever you are going for low resolution and high framerate for competitive and hardcore gaming or just 30-60 fps with 4k and ultra settings.

the 2700X can even handle the 2080, but you may experience some minor bottlenecks in some games if you are going to more than 144 FPS at 1080p at medium to low settings for competitive gaming... so yes you can pair the 2700X with 2060 and even upgrade to 2070 with no bottlenecking so far.

 

but if you want my advice, I suggest you take Ryzen 5 2600X instead and save money for later upgrade since the difference between both CPUs is very minimal in gaming title.

try also to get the RTX 2070 instead of 2060.

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