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US DOE supercomputers wins for AMD, Intel, nothing new for nvidia.

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The history of the computing industry is one of constant progress. Processors get faster, storage gets cheaper, and memory gets denser. We see the repercussions of this advancement through all aspects of society, and that extends to the top as well, where national governments continue to invest in bigger and better supercomputers. One part technological necessity and one part technological race, the exascale era of supercomputers is about to begin, as orders for the first exaFLOP-capable are now going out. It’s only fitting then that this morning the United States Department of Energy is announcing the contract for their fastest supercomputer yet, the Frontier system, which will be built by Cray and AMD.

 

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14302/us-dept-of-energy-announces-frontier-supercomputer-cray-and-amd-1-5-exaflops

 

Frontier will be rated at 1.5 exaflops, running off Epyc and Instinct. Aurora is rated at 1.0 exaflops, running off Xeon and Xe. Both systems will be built by Cray for delivery in 2021. It is interesting the GPUs in both cases are still somewhat unknown to us. 

 

nvidia is present in the current Summit supercomputer from 2018 with Volta GPUs, paired with Power CPUs. 

 

Anandtech speculates the wins for Intel and AMD looking forward are due to them being able to offer both CPUs and GPUs, so architecture support would be to the same source on each system.

 

This doesn't directly affect the people who frequent this forum, many of which are trying to get adequate performance on minimal hardware costs. It could still indirectly benefit, in that this should give AMD a good chunk of profit and help secure their position to deliver across all areas. If this is a trend, where would that leave nvidia? There isn't a meaningful 3rd x86 player they could swallow up, unless they go to other architectures.

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But can it run minesweeper? Or Minecraft?


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Does Oak Ridge replace their supercomputer every like 2 or 3 years? 

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What are they even using it for? 

Dept of energy needing to calculate how much time they have left on coal power.

Peasantry in the UK we achieved 100 hours coal-less power production. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-coal-renewables-record-climate-change-fossil-fuels-a8901436.html

 

The US kind of needs to get going on renewables as well. 

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13 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Does Oak Ridge replace their supercomputer every like 2 or 3 years? 

It's more they add a new one every generation and retire an older one after a while.

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3 minutes ago, YaBoiWill said:

What are they even using it for? 

Dept of energy needing to calculate how much time they have left on coal power.

Peasantry in the UK we achieved 100 hours coal-less power production. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-coal-renewables-record-climate-change-fossil-fuels-a8901436.html

 

The US kind of needs to get going on renewables as well. 

 

Probably for the same things Summit is used atm:

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Summit is providing scientists with incredible computing power to solve challenges in energy, artificial intelligence, human health, and other research areas, that were simply out of reach until now. 

 

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Your team is using deep learning to mine experimental and computational data for new insights into biological systems. Can you tell us more about that?

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Our focus is turbulent reacting flows in propulsion and power systems-or how combustion takes place in turbulent environments such as gas turbines or car engines. Our code, RAPTOR, is a fluid dynamics solver that incorporates the multiscale and multiphysics processes at play in these systems.

 

Etc.

 

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10 minutes ago, YaBoiWill said:

What are they even using it for? 

Dept of energy needing to calculate how much time they have left on coal power.

Peasantry in the UK we achieved 100 hours coal-less power production. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-coal-renewables-record-climate-change-fossil-fuels-a8901436.html

 

The US kind of needs to get going on renewables as well. 

We would, except for the fact that the fossil fuel companies have more power in the government than the government does

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1 hour ago, YaBoiWill said:

What are they even using it for? 

Dept of energy needing to calculate how much time they have left on coal power.

Peasantry in the UK we achieved 100 hours coal-less power production. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-coal-renewables-record-climate-change-fossil-fuels-a8901436.html

 

The US kind of needs to get going on renewables as well. 

A lot of the times it's used to calculate nuclear degrade in it's stock pile and waste.

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1 hour ago, porina said:

There isn't a meaningful 3rd x86 player they could swallow up, unless they go to other architectures.

Nah Nvidia can just buy VIA and dump money into it, they wont though

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1 hour ago, YaBoiWill said:

What are they even using it for? 

Dept of energy needing to calculate how much time they have left on coal power.

Peasantry in the UK we achieved 100 hours coal-less power production. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/uk-coal-renewables-record-climate-change-fossil-fuels-a8901436.html

 

The US kind of needs to get going on renewables as well. 

This here, absolutely. I don't want to desperately bang the renewable energy drum but it's become serious now. They should be creating renewable energy jobs, looking into the future. Not creating coal and fossil fuel industry jobs and looking into the past. It is CRUCIAL for Trump to be out of power into 2020 to stop this from damaging the planet. And I like Trump, he's not been the 'catastrophe who would blow the world up' as some were saying beforehand and he's proved them wrong. But on climate he needs to get real.

 

Anyways...as for this..huge win for AMD. And I love how it looks like they are gonna use an EPYC cpu released AFTER Rome. AMD's 'planning the future' strategy is working so well. Intel is planning the present with their supercomputer, and it just shows where both companies are. Lisa Su is a breath of fresh air and she deserves everything she gets, and I and many others will reward her for it on July 7th. Intel thought they could just impose their business, money-making nonsense upon us all and then AMD gatecrashed their '4 core 8 thread for the next 100 years' party.

 

Intel. Here's a bit of advice. Plan for the future. AMD's roadmap is smashing it out of the park while Intel is caught with their pants down. But most of all Intel, don't take advantage of the people you are selling products to. Treat them as friends not stupid animals.

 

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Nah Nvidia can just buy VIA and dump money into it, they wont though

CPUs Via are currently doing have connections with China, so that'll go down well with the US gov. Gonna be too much pain to make that workable worldwide, both technically and politically.

 

It might be more interesting for them to look at non-x86 offerings if they wanted to go that route, although it would be a gamble for a niche market if there isn't already an order in place.

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17 minutes ago, porina said:

CPUs Via are currently doing have connections with China, so that'll go down well with the US gov. Gonna be too much pain to make that workable worldwide, both technically and politically.

 

It might be more interesting for them to look at non-x86 offerings if they wanted to go that route, although it would be a gamble for a niche market if there isn't already an order in place.

I mean nvidia can honour the current contracts and just not give them the new shit they develop

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1 hour ago, S w a t s o n said:

Nah Nvidia can just buy VIA and dump money into it, they wont though

do they even get the x86 liscense if they buy VIA?

 

or do you mean as in buy all their stocks and operate them as a seperate entity?

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1 hour ago, MeatFeastMan said:

This here, absolutely. I don't want to desperately bang the renewable energy drum but it's become serious now. They should be creating renewable energy jobs, looking into the future. Not creating coal and fossil fuel industry jobs and looking into the past. It is CRUCIAL for Trump to be out of power into 2020 to stop this from damaging the planet. And I like Trump, he's not been the 'catastrophe who would blow the world up' as some were saying beforehand and he's proved them wrong. But on climate he needs to get real.

 

Anyways...as for this..huge win for AMD. And I love how it looks like they are gonna use an EPYC cpu released AFTER Rome. AMD's 'planning the future' strategy is working so well. Intel is planning the present with their supercomputer, and it just shows where both companies are. Lisa Su is a breath of fresh air and she deserves everything she gets, and I and many others will reward her for it on July 7th. Intel thought they could just impose their business, money-making nonsense upon us all and then AMD gatecrashed their '4 core 8 thread for the next 100 years' party.

 

Intel. Here's a bit of advice. Plan for the future. AMD's roadmap is smashing it out of the park while Intel is caught with their pants down. But most of all Intel, don't take advantage of the people you are selling products to. Treat them as friends not stupid animals.

 

 

 

 

lol if you think intel is in trouble you must not have been looking at everything they are in

 

 

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Just now, GoldenLag said:

do they even get the x86 liscense if they buy VIA?

 

or do you mean as in buy all their stocks and operate them as a seperate entity?

not sure if it's transferrable but whichever method allows them to make cpus most effectively

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2 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

not sure if it's transferrable but whichever method allows them to make cpus most effectively

you think they would actually need x86 license for this type of computers?

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you think they would actually need x86 license for this type of computers?

no this was just referring to their ability to if they wanted to make x86 cpus in general, they wont be making their own arch, i'm sure of that

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2 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

not sure if it's transferrable but whichever method allows them to make cpus most effectively

dont think its transferrable. i also have doubts of Nvidia managing to play it off in the CPU market. they make great GPUs, but both AMD and Intel are very competetive in the CPU market. 

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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

you think they would actually need x86 license for this type of computers?

no you can get away with ARM and POWER architecture aswell. x86 just has a few extra usecases where they could apply it. 

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Just now, GoldenLag said:

dont think its transferrable. i also have doubts of Nvidia managing to play it off in the CPU market. they make great GPUs, but both AMD and Intel are very competetive in the CPU market. 

Im sure nvidia could pull an intel (RIP RTG) and just brute force it with money if they REALLY wanted to, they just need the license

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1 minute ago, S w a t s o n said:

Im sure nvidia could pull an intel (RIP RTG) and just brute force it with money if they REALLY wanted to, they just need the license

im sure they could brute force a license too with legal battle considering how old x86 is

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im sure they could brute force a license too with legal battle considering how old x86 is

dont think so, but it would be a dank court battle

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6 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

dont think so, but it would be a dank court battle

especially since they would need to burn through 2 liscenses to get full x86. 

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5 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

dont think so, but it would be a dank court battle

prolly not worth their money considering everything will be mobile or server in like a decade

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