Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
BiG StroOnZ

AMD's new Radeon RX 3080 XT: RTX 2070 performance for $330?

wkdpaul

It's completely fine to disagree and have a different point of view.

 

But please construct your arguments thoughtfully and without ad-hominem, antagonizing or passive-aggressive comments.

Message added by wkdpaul

Recommended Posts

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

I enjoy taking a shot at Nvidia as the next guy, I try to keep it to logical or historical complaints rather than wants and desires. For example the MSRP price increases, but I don't feel the need to keep bringing that up. 

At least price is a legitimate gripe. 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's always cheaper to redesign a chip and repurpose it than making it from scratch. So, replacing memory controller and bolting GDDR5X on it would work just as well. I see no reason why Vega 56 would be bandwidth or mem latency starved because of it.

maybe on vega 56, but on vega 64 it would practically be impossible to design a 512-bit bus using GDDR5x afaik. simply because of how you would need to lay out the GDDR5x

Spoiler

Image result for bare PCB 290x

look at the layout requiered on the 290x. keep in mind you need to run lines around this to make it work. and placing GDDR5x might not be possible like this due to the small differences in trace lenght. certainly not doable on GDDR6 (though i doubt we will ever need a 512-bit bus there)

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/7/2019 at 3:09 AM, Skiiwee29 said:

So tired of this bullshit naming scheme.. FFS.. grow some creativity and originality.. Screw that article that loves this naming scheme.. It does nothing but promote confusion from the less informed. 

It's better than GTX 1650 though


...is there a question here? 🤔

sudo chmod -R 000 /*

What is scaling and how does it work? Asus PB287Q unboxing! Console alternatives :D Watch Netflix with Kodi on Arch Linux Sharing folders over the internet using SSH Beginner's Guide To LTT (by iamdarkyoshi)

Sauron'stm Product Scores:

Spoiler

Just a list of my personal scores for some products, in no particular order, with brief comments. I just got the idea to do them so they aren't many for now :)

Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

Spoiler

From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

Spoiler

A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It's better than GTX 1650 though

I'll grant it's better than 1030 4GB.  

 

 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites

But can they actually deliver? Will they have decent numbers available on launch, and will the market actually buy the crap out of it?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Trik'Stari said:

But can they actually deliver? Will they have decent numbers available on launch, and will the market actually buy the crap out of it?

Well the plan to overcome the 'I'm buying Nvidia because it's Nvidia and I don't like AMD GPU's even though I've never used them because I've been brainwashed' mentality is to pair Zen2 with Navi as bundles. That should improve sales because if Zen2 does overtake Intel, it'll sell like mad. It may not improve sales massively, but it'll help for future gpu releases.

Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

But can they actually deliver? Will they have decent numbers available on launch, and will the market actually buy the crap out of it?

Why wouldn't they? Just rewind things back to RX480 days. Gamers wanted them, but couldn't get them because of stupid miners. If they nail similar price/performance, they'll sell. Hell, RX580 is still incredible value (and results) even today. If AMD captures that, they'll sell. Polaris proved that you don't need to be "king of the hill" to make sales where it matters. Of course it's nice if you have the bragging rights, but still.

Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, MeatFeastMan said:

Well the plan to overcome the 'I'm buying Nvidia because it's Nvidia and I don't like AMD GPU's even though I've never used them because I've been brainwashed' mentality is to pair Zen2 with Navi as bundles. That should improve sales because if Zen2 does overtake Intel, it'll sell like mad. It may not improve sales massively, but it'll help for future gpu releases.

The bigger problem I see is that misnomer itself.

 

I haven't bought an AMD gpu because they have yet to offer something that it would make sense for me to buy. They have nothing that challenges the 1080ti. Now this, which IIRC would be on par with a 1080ti. And back when I upgraded from a 970, I could either go with a 1080ti or something that.... wasn't as powerful.

 

I just think this whole "we're focusing on the lower end of the market" is a mistake. It's very easy to look at them and go "well they aren't even trying, so it must not be that good anyways".

 

The irony is, every PC gamer I know and work with are using AMD CPU's and Nvidia GPU's. I'm the only one using Intel because AMD took too freaking long to just release Ryzen.

 

3 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Why wouldn't they? Just rewind things back to RX480 days. Gamers wanted them, but couldn't get them because of stupid miners. If they nail similar price/performance, they'll sell. Hell, RX580 is still incredible value (and results) even today. If AMD captures that, they'll sell. Polaris proved that you don't need to be "king of the hill" to make sales where it matters. Of course it's nice if you have the bragging rights, but still.

 

The Steam Hardware Survey disagrees. Sure it might be making sales, but nowhere near Nvidia's higher offerings.

 

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Link to post
Share on other sites
55 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It's better than GTX 1650 though

This factually correct, yes. 


PSU Tier List Thread

 

"White Ice"

Ryzen 7 3700x | Asus Crosshair VI Hero | EVGA RTX 2080ti Black | Flare X 16-16-16-32 3600mhz 16gb | Full Custom Water Cooling Loop | 1tb Samsung 970 Evo

Samsung 850 evo 250gb | 2x 3tb Seagate Drive | Fractal Design Meshify S2 |  EVGA G2 750w PSU | 2x Corsair LL140 | 3x Corsair LL120

 

Dedicated Streaming Rig

Ryzen 7 1800x | Asrock B450M Pro 4 | 16gb G.Skill Flare X 3200mhz | EVGA B3 450w | EVGA GTX 1060 3gb | 250gb 860 Evo m.2 | Phanteks Enthoo Evolv | Elgato HD60 Pro | Elgato 4k60 Pro mk.2

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

The bigger problem I see is that misnomer itself.

 

I haven't bought an AMD gpu because they have yet to offer something that it would make sense for me to buy. They have nothing that challenges the 1080ti. Now this, which IIRC would be on par with a 1080ti. And back when I upgraded from a 970, I could either go with a 1080ti or something that.... wasn't as powerful.

 

I just think this whole "we're focusing on the lower end of the market" is a mistake. It's very easy to look at them and go "well they aren't even trying, so it must not be that good anyways".

 

The irony is, every PC gamer I know and work with are using AMD CPU's and Nvidia GPU's. I'm the only one using Intel because AMD took too freaking long to just release Ryzen.

 

 

The Steam Hardware Survey disagrees.

 

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Gee, where did most RX480 cards end up? Mining rigs. Of course gamers don't have them if they couldn't buy them. GTX 1060 on the other hand was shit for mining which is why gamers could buy them and still have them. 1+1 dude... As well as general perception by idiots who buy a brand because some 8x more expensive model dictates what they pick at the budget level. Which is about as dumb as normies not buying Pirelli car tires when Pirelli had issues with tires in F1. Because that's totally relevant to one or the other product.

 

Who gives a damn what challenges (or doesn't) GTX 1080Ti or RTX 2080Ti when you're looking for a 250€ card. It's totally irrelevant to you or anyone else. But people are generally dumb so I understand why they think this way. Probably same people who buy crappiest Core i3 for 80€ because Intel is the king with 9900K for 500€... LOL

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I just think this whole "we're focusing on the lower end of the market" is a mistake. It's very easy to look at them and go "well they aren't even trying, so it must not be that good anyways".

This is something that gets said as an excuse when a company is not doing well in a particular area. For example when AMD only had bulldozer CPUs they used to go around saying that all the mainstream CPUs have more than enough horsepower and that the days of focusing on high end CPUs were gone. Now they won't say that because they do have high end CPUs.

 

AMD's problem right now in the GPU space is that they cannot execute on their roadmap properly.

 

Every product is either

-badly delayed

OR

-slightly misses the performance targets

OR

they cannot get enough supply out to gamers. 

OR

too expensive to produce

 

Vega was supposed to come out at the start of 2017, and Navi was supposed to come out at the start of 2018. They just don't execute properly on their roadmap, unlike the CPU division.

Link to post
Share on other sites

At launch prices Vega was a disappointment, it only got more compelling later. Then we heard stories about how that was because the majority of engineers were moved towards the Navi project, and that Raja Koduri was unhappy that Navi was getting all the R&D focus.

 

LOL after all that it will be funny if Navi disappoints too. There will be no excuse this time...


AMD has been working on Navi for so long, and then the launch too was pushed back pretty late. So they really should have a pristine launch. i.e. great supply, great drivers, full feature set enabled, availability of fancy 3rd party models etc...

Link to post
Share on other sites

Intel "Lets rename out brands using stupid numbers... like a RTX 2080!"

AMD "Hold my beer... RX 3080 is out new model number!!!".

[Troll face.jpg]

 

Oh, how I hate brands/companies and their marketing/naming schemes. 😡

Link to post
Share on other sites

Navi wasn't pushed back since it was never officially announced. And AMD had this schedule of summer/autumn releases for quite some time now. And so does NVIDIA. The really odd one was GTX 1080Ti launch in April iirc. Then again it was a weird card to begin with (not for being bad but exceptionally good).

Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

I just think this whole "we're focusing on the lower end of the market" is a mistake. It's very easy to look at them and go "well they aren't even trying, so it must not be that good anyways".

 

AMD never "focused" on the lower end.  That's just a fallacy some people used to excuse their inability to compete at the top end.


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites

No it's not. Polaris was well targeted product for segment with the most sales that worked well with AMD's financial situation. It's no secret and I also see no reason why AMD keeps getting bashed for it by idiots who buy cheap cards and brag on "heritage" of the top of the line models which they never owned or even used themselves. It's hilarious.

Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Humbug said:

At launch prices Vega was a disappointment, it only got more compelling later. Then we heard stories about how that was because the majority of engineers were moved towards the Navi project, and that Raja Koduri was unhappy that Navi was getting all the R&D focus.

 

LOL after all that it will be funny if Navi disappoints too. There will be no excuse this time...


AMD has been working on Navi for so long, and then the launch too was pushed back pretty late. So they really should have a pristine launch. i.e. great supply, great drivers, full feature set enabled, availability of fancy 3rd party models etc...

I don't really care if the launch is average with supply or the odd driver issue or something like that, so long as the product is actually a decent and competitive.


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

No it's not. Polaris was well targeted product for segment with the most sales that worked well with AMD's financial situation. It's no secret and I also see no reason why AMD keeps getting bashed for it by idiots who buy cheap cards and brag on "heritage" of the top of the line models which they never owned or even used themselves. It's hilarious.

you believe some funny things.


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Same could be said for you... AMD was in financial trouble. That was no secret. Them focusing on segment that requires the least risk, least R&D and almost garantees profit, how is that "stupid"? So they didn't get a crown for having the fastest card. Who gives a shit, really.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

Who gives a shit, really.

Everyone clinging to the fantasy about AMD aiming low on purpose.   Otherwise why would they bother saying anything?

 

 

 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites
41 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Navi wasn't pushed back since it was never officially announced. And AMD had this schedule of summer/autumn releases for quite some time now. And so does NVIDIA. The really odd one was GTX 1080Ti launch in April iirc. Then again it was a weird card to begin with (not for being bad but exceptionally good).

Technically true but it's pretty obvious that there were internal delays, just that the launch day was not out publicly.

 

This was the roadmap shown in 2016 at the Capsaicin event. This was officially shown by AMD. Vega at the start of 2017, Navi at the start of 2018. So both Vega and Navi were later than AMD planned.

Roadmap-640x360.jpg

 

There is also the below which was a leaked internal version, so take it with a grain of salt as it was never released officially by AMD, however it matches the above.

 

AMD-GPU-Roadmap-Polaris-Vega-Navi-1030x5

 

30 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I don't really care if the launch is average with supply or the odd driver issue or something like that, so long as the product is actually a decent and competitive.

Me neither, Radeon 7 had a couple of driver issues at launch but now it's running perfectly. My point was that this time every department at AMD should have had loads of time to get it right at launch... Unlike the Radeon 7 which was a last minute thing when they realized how expensive the RTX 2080 is.

 

I understand that Navi will get faster over time, drivers always improve over time for a new architecture. But they should have stability and all the features working at launch including overclocking and all the fancy stuff in the control panel like FRTC, chill etc...

Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Everyone clinging to the fantasy about AMD aiming low on purpose.   Otherwise why would they bother saying anything?

 

 

 

Dude, now you're just straight up delusional. You're not happy when they aren't achieving certain numbers with high end and you're not happy when they literally aim at certain segment and are actually very competitive at it. You also don't like them either pretending or being honest. What do you even want? Like, LOL...

 

@Humbug

II frankly never take roadmaps as "things set in stone". Chronologically, yes and for that it's correct, but release times, not really. It even says that it can be subject to change. It sucks if you're planning purchases based on that, but one should learn pretty quickly not to believe these too much as far as release schedules go...

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, RejZoR said:

Dude, now you're just straight up delusional. You're not happy when they aren't achieving certain numbers with high end and you're not happy when they literally aim at certain segment and are actually very competitive at it. You also don't like them either pretending or being honest. What do you even want? Like, LOL...

I would like it if you could spend a little bit more time trying to understand the industry and basic business and less time trying to convince everyone that your assumptions are true.  Trying to have a discussion on these topics when people like yourself keep posting some of the most inane assumptions about the industry is getting difficult.

 

Also the fact you resort to insults is a sure sign you are not here for genuine discussion but are either too invested in your opinion or are only here for an argument.

 

 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Oh, sorry mister perfect genius. I guess AMD released Polaris because it loves losing money and having no presence on the market at all. Got it.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Oh, sorry mister perfect genius. I guess AMD released Polaris because it loves losing money and having no presence on the market at all. Got it.

very mature.  🙄  I'm guessing your early teenage years by your responses and lack of understanding.

 

If that's the case then it is no wonder you don't believe anyone.   For your information, no company aims low,  no company wastes time and resource being average, it's not good for retaining shareholders,  investors, public image, sales the whole lot.  Polaris was the best they could do.  End of story. 

 

 

 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


×