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AMD's new Radeon RX 3080 XT: RTX 2070 performance for $330?

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Huge if true

 

 

 

 

But it's all rumors so likely isn't.


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At this point, I'm wondering why not just repurpose Vega 56, get rid of expensive HBM2 on it and call it a day? Hell, Vega 56 cards already cost as low as 244€ ($273 and that's with European VAT included!). Old tech or not, the cards are still very much capable...

 

As for nay sayers, has everyone forgot what RX480 was to GTX980 at the time? It delivered basically the same performance at half the price. Why is everyone in absolute disbelief for this happening again? AMD is in much better financial position thanks to Ryzen than it was back in Maxwell 2 days.

 

The naming scheme, I agree... The chipsets situation is so bad even I as enthusiast often ain't sure if I'm thinking about Intel or AMD chipset thanks to confusingly similar naming schemes. There was no need to follow this idiocy again and mimic NVIDIA's naming scheme. I actually really liked the Vega 56 and 64 naming scheme. Names are nice, easy to remember. Navi 56 and 64 would sound nice too.

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1 hour ago, williamcll said:

I don't understand the XT part.

A long time ago ATI Radeon (Now AMD Radeon) had two variants of a chip, one was 'XT' and one was 'Pro'.


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So around the performance of a V64 but a bit cheaper and node shrunk? Honestly doesn't seem too outlandish


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4 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

AMD is reportedly getting the Radeon RX 3080 XT ready for E3 2019 with its Navi 10 GPU on the 7nm node

Yes, for presentation/to show off...

 

I doubt they will do more than present it at CES.

Though it is possible as the original, rumored, release date was march...

 

Well, its only 3 weeks away, so lets just all calm down and wait...


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5 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

So around the performance of a V64 but a bit cheaper and node shrunk? Honestly doesn't seem too outlandish

Radeon VII has 60 CUs and higher memory bandwidth, this is supposed to have 56 and slightly lower memory bandwidth so just on that spec information plus what Vega 20 can clock at I think such a card would be faster than V64. Either that's really good or it isn't going to be 56 CUs.

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9 minutes ago, leadeater said:

...plus what Vega 20 can clock at...

 

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3 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

This might interest you, if you haven't seen it already:

Adored, nope. Adored typical marathon video, hell nope. That guy needs to learn to cut to the point, got better things to do than listen to 3-5 minutes of information spread across 35 minutes lol.

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Just now, leadeater said:

Adored, nope. Adored typical marathon video, hell nope. That guy needs to learn to cut to the point, got better thing to do than listen to 3-5 minutes of information spread across 35 minutes lol.

 

I just linked the part where he talks about his "source" claiming they had issues with clockspeeds:

 

https://youtu.be/Xg-o1wtE-ww?t=1640


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Just now, BiG StroOnZ said:

I just linked the part where he talks about his "source" claiming they had issues with clockspeeds:

Yea I know, the picture you gave was enough 🙂.

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1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Yea I know, the picture you gave was enough 🙂.

 

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There are rumor about Nvidia dropping prices soon too.


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8 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

This might interest you, if you haven't seen it already:

 

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https://youtu.be/Xg-o1wtE-ww?t=1640

 

 

For anyone that didn't know he did it, that video is another example of adored mentioning himself that he is/was biased towards AMD too.


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@Mihle

Well, I was called an AMD fanboy because I wasn't pissing all over RX Vega and Polaris and bragging how NVIDIA is the shit because AMD was struggling to deliver top of the line, king of the hill cards. Despite having GTX 980 and GTX 1080Ti...

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3 hours ago, RejZoR said:

The naming scheme, I agree... The chipsets situation is so bad even I as enthusiast often ain't sure if I'm thinking about Intel or AMD chipset thanks to confusingly similar naming schemes.

AMD is seemingly matching naming schemes between CPUs and GPUs to promote it as a "package". great if you want to market to laptops and desktop OEM, not much more. 

39 minutes ago, Mihle said:

For anyone that didn't know he did it, that video is another example of adored mentioning himself that he is/was biased towards AMD too.

*fixed. there is no doubt Adored likes AMD and he has stated that he is Biased in favor of stuff that includes the use of chiplets and IF. 

 

people should learn to take what Adored presents as educated guesses based on rumours, nothing more, nothing less. 

 

Computex is so close right now that there honestly isnt much point in speculating performance on Zen 2, and we will probably get some sort of sneakpeak at computex regarding Navi. 

 

if Navi flops in high  performance desktopp, that is fine as long as it succeeds in consoles and laptops. 

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Everyone is looking at this and thinking it's nonsense. But if you really think about it, it isn't so outrageous. Remember the GTX 1070? It had a release price of $379. Let's throw out the current 2070 pricing, it's completely overpriced. So if the normal pricing for a 70 series card is $379 then you'd expect AMD to go a bit lower to compete. Therefore, AMD's $330 doesn't seem so crazy anymore. Nvidia should have been selling the 2070 under $400 but instead they chose to rip-off everybody.

 

Then there's the other question.. why would this make sense considering that would mean around a $300 price difference between the 3080 and Radeon VII? The only reason AMD could get away with selling Radeon VII is because Nvidia gave them space to sell it. They are just about squeezing a profit out of it at $699. That is once again Nvidia pricing the 2080 at silly numbers. By doing that it gave a space for the Radeon VII to fit itself in. I wouldn't read too much into the gap between the 3080 and Radeon VII. No doubt that if Nvidia had priced the 2080 lower, then Radeon VII wouldn't be on the market right now.

 

I'm expecting a GTX 1080 level performer for $300, but a 2070 level performer for $330 isn't out of the question.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

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Well, I was called an AMD fanboy because I wasn't pissing all over RX Vega and Polaris and bragging how NVIDIA is the shit because AMD was struggling to deliver top of the line, king of the hill cards. Despite having GTX 980 and GTX 1080Ti...

No, if anyone called you an AMD fanboy it wasn't because of some made up insistence you brag about anything, it was the overwhelming request for you to stop making fallacious claims about Nvidia.  You don't have to like anything, no one wants you to say anything positive about Nvidia, we just want you to stop lying about them.


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4 hours ago, RejZoR said:

The naming scheme, I agree... The chipsets situation is so bad even I as enthusiast often ain't sure if I'm thinking about Intel or AMD chipset thanks to confusingly similar naming schemes. There was no need to follow this idiocy again and mimic NVIDIA's naming scheme. I actually really liked the Vega 56 and 64 naming scheme. Names are nice, easy to remember. Navi 56 and 64 would sound nice too.

It's nice to actually agree with you on something.  I think AMD should stand strong with their own names and go as far as they can to difference themselves from Nvidia.    There are a besquilion names from Greek gods and bible names to military hierarchies and tribal tributes that all sound awesome, no need for mimicry.


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23 minutes ago, mr moose said:

No, if anyone called you an AMD fanboy it wasn't because of some made up insistence you brag about anything, it was the overwhelming request for you to stop making fallacious claims about Nvidia.  You don't have to like anything, no one wants you to say anything positive about Nvidia, we just want you to stop lying about them.

And what or where have I lied about them? When I repeatedly say their control panel is absolute outdated garbage, that's just truth. When I was bitching over their broken ass V-Sync modes fucking up Youtube videos and they needed months to fix, that was a truth too. When I say they screwed up monumental opportunity to make RTX a huge boom, it's the same. But you were all too busy screaming how I don't know how industry works. NVIDIA, out of almost entire history of graphics had the time to wait for devs to do the RTX magic and have working games in just days apart from GeForce RTX cards launch. No one had such luxury through pretty much entire history of graphics industry. And they didn't use it because they had to rush cards to the market and then everyone was yawning because most of games they bragged about during GeForce RTX launch press conference, still aren't released yet. I guess I was lying about that too, aye? They literally had the opportunity to break the old "standard" of software catching up and they blew it. And for something as big as ray tracing, it's a thing given ray tracing is one of the biggest changes in graphics only rivaled by Pixel Shaders feature released in 2001.

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yeah that's totally going to happen..

come on people, expect realistic things for once. if you think you'll be getting RTX 2070 performance for $330 then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.


 

 

 

 

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Just now, XR6 said:

yeah that's totally going to happen..

come on people, expect realistic things for once. if you think you'll be getting RTX 2070 performance for $330 then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Dude, RX480 rivaled GTX 980 when it was launched. A 300€ card rivaling 600€ card. What is so impossible about Navi doing the same lol?

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I'm not expecting anything special other than good performance per dollar.

 

This is still just GCN. It's doubtful much has changed. Performance will just be a function of CU count, clock speed and memory bandwidth. We know there won't be a chip surpassing 64 CUs and we can be pretty sure it's not gonna clock much different from Radeon VII and memory bandwidth can only be lower. That tells you that we can't get higher performance than any existing product unless we should assume there is some secret sauce no one has ever heard of. So what's left to say is it'll be Polaris replacements and performance will be some percentage bump over those.

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7 minutes ago, XR6 said:

yeah that's totally going to happen..

come on people, expect realistic things for once. if you think you'll be getting RTX 2070 performance for $330 then you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Get Vega 56, mod it with power play tables, done.

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