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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

no not teh average consumer lol

Not the average car buyer either.

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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Not the average car buyer either.

then how is bleeding edge tech or high end going to affect their purchase lol

 

come on keep squeezing every drop out of this lol

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15 minutes ago, pas008 said:

exactly they arent buying because they are leading edge

 

lol way different markets by far

Yes, that's the dumb people's logic. Oh, NVIDIA makes the bestest fastest graphic cards with freaking laser tracing! And then they go and buy fucking GTX 1650 that's the biggest garbage this year and gets beaten by 2 years old Polaris card. But hey, it's NVIDIA Geeforce, just like that RTX 2080Ti. a 1100€ graphic card they offer at the top of the stack which is the fastest graphic card in the world. Totally the same thing... Which is why different classes of graphic cards have NOTHING to do with each other and neither does the fact which company has the fastest graphic card unless you're in the market for one. For which, 90% of people aren't. But they are obnoxiously loud about it. That's the whole damn reason I never pissed on AMD for only doing the mid range for some time. They had no resources or the know how to make top of the line card. But they had for a good mid end. And they delivered. What's fucking wrong with that? But hey, I'm here with logic, not with brand loyalty...

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2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

But hey, I'm here with logic, not with brand loyalty...

Ah yes, everyone that disagrees with you is a fanboy. Quite a rational argument you've got there.

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1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

Yes, that's the dumb people's logic. Oh, NVIDIA makes the bestest fastest graphic cards with freaking laser tracing! And then they go and buy fucking GTX 1650 that's the biggest garbage this year and gets beaten by 2 years old Polaris card. But hey, it's NVIDIA Geeforce, just like that RTX 2080Ti. a 1100€ graphic card they offer at the top of the stack which is the fastest graphic card in the world. Totally the same thing... Which is why different classes of graphic cards have NOTHING to do with each other and neither does the fact which company has the fastest graphic card unless you're in the market for one. For which, 90% of people aren't. But they are obnoxiously loud about it. That's the whole damn reason I never pissed on AMD for only doing the mid range for some time. They had no resources or the know how to make top of the line card. But they had for a good mid end. And they delivered. What's fucking wrong with that? But hey, I'm here with logic, not with brand loyalty...

exactly look how some lower to mid end phones sell from samsung considering you can get many alternatives that simliar or better specs for cheap same with tvs

many avoided tcl tvs because they didnt trust that brand few yrs ago and thought it was just cheap, one of the best tvs to own now(depending on model ofc)

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1 minute ago, pas008 said:

then how is bleeding edge tech or high end going to affect their purchase

The same exact way it affects the GPU market. They buy from the company they think has the best product, thinking that they will have the better product than the competition even if they don't go for the best.

 

4 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Yes, that's the dumb people's logic. Oh, NVIDIA makes the bestest fastest graphic cards with freaking laser tracing

It's literally observed behavior.

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

The same exact way it affects the GPU market. They buy from the company they think has the best product, thinking that they will have the better product than the competition even if they don't go for the best.

 

It's literally observed behavior.

subjectly vs objectively

quite different point is made lol

 

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1 minute ago, pas008 said:

subjectly vs objectively

Nvidia isn't objectively better across the board. There is alot of room for subjectiveness.

 

2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

quite different point is made

I'm not responsible for what you don't understand.

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7 minutes ago, pas008 said:

many avoided tcl tvs

Well in my country they had problems working with the IPTV we get from the only 2 internet providers, not sure if it's still a problem.

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1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Nvidia isn't objectively better across the board. There is alot of room for subjectiveness.

 

I'm not responsible for what you don't understand.

objectively they are better in the highend

which influences people that want bleeding edge new tech at any budget which many of us have been stating why they get the low and mid end sales too

phones tvs gpus and cpus have shown this

 

 bleeding edge top of the line vehicles hardly do anything to low and mid range vehicles

 

 

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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

objectively they are better in the highend

Objectively, Nvidia is better in most gaming at the high end. That's it.

 

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

which influences people that want bleeding edge new tech at any budget which many of us have been stating why they get the low and mid end sales too

The same applies to the automotive (and most) markets.

 

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

bleeding edge top of the line vehicles hardly do anything to low and mid range vehicles

That is blatantly false.

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8 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Objectively, Nvidia is better in most gaming at the high end. That's it.

 

The same applies to the automotive (and most) markets.

 

That is blatantly false.

if thats the case then how does kia ford mazda etc even exist if they dont have the best new flagship

 

oh wait its a completely different market

 

wow

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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

if thats the case then how does kia ford mazda etc even exist if they dont have the best new flagship

 

oh wait its a completely different market

 

wow

How does AMD exist? You can exist and not be able to offer the best of something. 

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2 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

How does AMD exist? You can exist and not be able to offer the best of something. 

true but trying to compare auto market or any other market is complete guff

 

highend in tech shows bleeding edge and it influences the market, this has been shown over and over thorughout the yrs and why we have so many electronic shows throughout the yr

 

its not the same for vehicles, produce, clothing, etc because they are different markets by far

 

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22 minutes ago, pas008 said:

its not the same for vehicles, produce, clothing

Yes, it is. Anyone smart enough to recognize market patterns recognizes this.

 

23 minutes ago, pas008 said:

because they are different markets by far

The same principles apply.

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24 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

How does AMD exist? You can exist and not be able to offer the best of something. 

Yeah in most markets you can do that, but computer hardware is a totally different beast. Just existing isn't good enough, look at their server marketshare before Zen finally put them back on the map. Their GPU marketshare continues to stagnate or decline depending on the quarter, and if Intel GPUs are any good it's entirely possible that AMD could become totally irrelevant in the GPU market.

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5 minutes ago, System32.exe said:

Just existing isn't good enough

Yup. Just like all other markets.

 

5 minutes ago, System32.exe said:

Their GPU marketshare continues to stagnate or decline depending on the quarter, and if Intel GPUs are any good it's entirely possible that AMD could become totally irrelevant in the GPU market.

The only real difference, again, is how many competitors there are.

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11 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Yes, it is. Anyone smart enough to recognize market patterns recognizes this.

 

The same principles apply.

agree to disagree

in no way a gpu market is the same as a produce market

 

anyone smart enough to recognize market patterns lol thats why people make millions right oh and those same people lose millions /fail

 

oh wow guess amd should hire the sales/marketing team of chiquita

they are all the same right

or intel should have instead of hook

 

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4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

in no way a gpu market is the same as a produce market

 

They all operate on the same principles.

 

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

They all operate on the same principles.

 

oh wow

 

agree to disagree

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

agree to disagree

Then you are simply wrong.

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4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Then you are simply wrong.

 

oh wow lol

 

bananas/gpus/jeans/etc all the same market right lol

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7 hours ago, mr moose said:

They can't compete at the top,  ergo Polaris was their top. 

No, they don't want to compete for the top because they don't sell top products for various reasons.

With lower end Products, ideology and indoctrination is irrelevant, price/performance counts. 

 

With 1000€ Name Brand Recognition gets more important, less the quality of the product itself.

 

7 hours ago, mr moose said:

This is not a shit dig at AMD, this is just business.

No, its just a shit dig at AMD, without understanding the Market or other variables.

 

A good product is just not enough! Just look at the Radeon HD7970!
It was superior to the GTX 680, though it might have taken some time.

But what did people buy? GTX680.


Same with the R9-290. What did people buy? nVidia...

 

And there were also rumors about a "big Polaris"; wich, we all know, never happened. They rather did some experimentation with HBM and did VEGA instead

 

The Deal they got recently for the 1,5 Exaflops shows they are not wrong.

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6 hours ago, pas008 said:

but its still completely different market

Obviously, but that wasn't the Point.

But its good enough to show his point.

 

The point he was making was that in the lower price margins, the quality of the Product is more important than Brand stuff. Its the same with Cars as well!
Small and medium Cars can sell well enough!
 While at the higher end, they don't! Because Brand Recognition/Prestige is more important than the quality of the product.

 

 

Do you know that Hyundai also has some pretty hgh end cars??

Or ever heard of the Mazda High End Cars? Eunos Cosmo, Xedos???

 

No, because in this market segment, the quality of the car is less important than "Prestige" aka Brand Recognition and similar things.

 

I can provide you with some facts, though the source is German and its more specific for Germany:

https://www.welt.de/motor/modelle/article172852837/Deutsche-Autobauer-dominieren-in-der-Oberklasse.html

 

They are talking about a Lexus LS and that there were a whopping 17 new registrations in 2016 and 2017 there were only 5 people who bought a new Lexus LS.

Mercedes S-Class had 6759, BMW 7 series: 4594 and 3977 for the Porsche Panamera and 3966 for the Audi A8.

 

And here you see its not about the car but about Brand!

 

Its the same for GPU Graphics cards!
 

At the Upper end its not necessarily about the best graphics card overall but having also the ability to tell people that you got the best nVidia Card.

 

And I also disagree with @leadeater THe last time when AMD was on top, people sought for Arguments for the nVidia Card, while a bit later with the next generation the arguments were inverted and "people" totally flipped.

Was the Power Consumption unimportant a year or so before, it now is important.

Was the +50% VRAM an argument for the GTX480 and 580, the +50% VRAM now is irrelevant.

 

 

Problem is that "people" demand that AMD be on top but never ever would consider to buy AMD Graphics card or look for excuses to not buy them.

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