Do I need to upgrade??

[BornOfAmerica]

I just switched my rx 580 graphics card to a rtx 2070 weird I know. Going along with the build I have a AMD ryzen 5 1600 and 16gb of 3000mhz ram running dual channel. In game I'm noticing alot of frame drops and slow rendering times. Should I upgrade to a CPU with more cores and more threads or are there any overclocking parameters I should consider?

[LienusLateTips]

Resolution?

 

Have an SSD?

[BornOfAmerica]

I dont have and ssd yet and my resolution is 720x1080p

[Firewrath9]

nah ur good for now

[Stormseeker9]

6 minutes ago, BornOfAmerica said:

I just switched my rx 580 graphics card to a rtx 2070 weird I know. Going along with the build I have a AMD ryzen 5 1600 and 16gb of 3000mhz ram running dual channel. In game I'm noticing alot of frame drops and slow rendering times. Should I upgrade to a CPU with more cores and more threads or are there any overclocking parameters I should consider?

Get an SSD, that will definitely be beneficial for overall user experience. 

 

Tou don’t need to upgrade yet; hold out a few months for Ryzen3000 to be released (Q3 ‘19) 

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, BornOfAmerica said:

I dont have and ssd yet and my resolution is 720x1080p

Get a SSD, ASAP. It'll make even a old laptop from 2009 feel fast.

 

720p? You'll want to upgrade your monitor.

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, BornOfAmerica said:

I dont have and ssd yet and my resolution is 720x1080p

That is a very odd resolution.  You should be getting triple digit frame rates with AAA titles.  Your Ryzen 5 1600 is holding back the 2070 but not by much.  Stick with what you have unless your getting big dips in frame rate.

[BornOfAmerica]

I appreciate your advice. 

[BornOfAmerica]

Any advice on which ssd to consider

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, BornOfAmerica said:

Any advice on which ssd to consider

Grab a Samsung 860 Evo

[LienusLateTips]

3 minutes ago, BornOfAmerica said:

Any advice on which ssd to consider

Quote next time, so we get notified of your reply.

 

What's your budget? Does your board have a M.2 slot?

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, Turtle Rig said:

Grab a Samsung 860 Evo

No, that's a terrible value for what it is.

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, LienusLateTips said:

No, that's a terrible value for what it is.

Well you can go for a cheaper company like Toshiba or SanDisk.  As for M.2 there is no reason for one as there is no real world performance difference compared to SSD drive.  In benchmarks it will show 2500mbps compared to 550mbps on SSD but in real world your OS will load same time games will load maps same time,, there is no difference.  Only advantage is its tiny small and no need for cables.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

Well you can go for a cheaper company like Toshiba or SanDisk.  As for M.2 there is no reason for one as there is no real world performance difference compared to SSD drive.  In benchmarks it will show 2500mbps compared to 550mbps on SSD but in real world your OS will load same time games will load maps same time,, there is no difference.  Only advantage is its tiny small and no need for cables.

Except M.2 drives are usually the cheapest option... 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9wyV3C/hp-ex900-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-2yy43aaabc

 

Get me a high end SATA 250GB-class for the same price. You can't.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Well you can go for a cheaper company like Toshiba or SanDisk.  As for M.2 there is no reason for one as there is no real world performance difference compared to SSD drive.  In benchmarks it will show 2500mbps compared to 550mbps on SSD but in real world your OS will load same time games will load maps same time,, there is no difference.  Only advantage is its tiny small and no need for cables.

and there are drives like the Crucial mx500 or crucial P1. one being sata and the other NVMe. 

 

there is also a whole ton of m.2 Satadrives. 

[jiyeon]

5 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

As for M.2 there is no reason for one as there is no real world performance difference compared to SSD drive.  In benchmarks it will show 2500mbps compared to 550mbps on SSD but in real world your OS will load same time games will load maps same time,, there is no difference.  Only advantage is its tiny small and no need for cables.

M.2 drives are SSDs... M.2 is only the form factor.

 

What you're referring to there is NVME vs SATA, not M.2 and SSD.

 

NVME is that 2500mbps figure; SATA is that 550mbps figure.

[Turtle Rig]

13 minutes ago, seoz said:

M.2 drives are SSDs... M.2 is only the form factor.

 

What you're referring to there is NVME vs SATA, not M.2 and SSD.

 

NVME is that 2500mbps figure; SATA is that 550mbps figure.

Yup, but the sad part is there is no real world performance difference.  Only benchmark apps theres huge difference like seoz said.

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yup, but the sad part is there is no real world performance difference.  Only benchmark apps theres huge difference like seoz said.

And yet, NVMe drives become cheaper than good SATA...

[BornOfAmerica]

So what I'm getting here is I should go SATA

[jiyeon]

16 hours ago, Turtle Rig said:

Only benchmark apps theres huge difference like seoz said.

I didn't say that at all. You'd find the benefits of NVME in environments where large file transfers are being conducted, that extra bandwidth that NVME has is crucial to an efficient workflow.

 

1 hour ago, BornOfAmerica said:

So what I'm getting here is I should go SATA

If you don't need the NVME speeds, yes. If you can find NVME for a no more than 5% more the price of SATA, I say why not.

[BornOfAmerica]

I just bought a 970 evo plus 250gb nvme drive for 70 bucks @seoz

[Dedayog]

12 minutes ago, BornOfAmerica said:

I just bought a 970 evo plus 250gb nvme drive for 70 bucks @seoz

Strong waste of money

 

After all was being discussed, you missed the entire point of it.

 

Should have used that $70 for a Crucial MX500 in either 2.5" or M.2 flavors and twice the space...

 

https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=crucial+mx500+500gb&crid=3NGCT1MNE3HJE&sprefix=crucial+%2Caps%2C128&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_8

 

But if it;s already on the way, enjoy it

[southpaw5271]

Everyone here is ignoring the fact that NVMe drives have lower latency and higher random read/write speeds. There is absolutely a real world performance advantage to NVMe over SATA.

 

That being said, many SATA drives can offer better capacity for the same price.

[Dedayog]

2 minutes ago, southpaw5271 said:

Everyone here is ignoring the fact that NVMe drives have lower latency and higher random read/write speeds. There is absolutely a real world performance advantage to NVMe over SATA.

 

That being said, many SATA drives can offer better capacity for the same price.

The latency and speeds are not brought into play with usage in a machine.  They're noticed by benchmarks, but it's been shown time and again that NVMe vs SATA boots times are identical, for example.

 

But to your point, if Excel opened in 1/10 of a second or 1/4 of a second... one is MUCH faster than the other but is it really noticeable to you?

[southpaw5271]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

The latency and speeds are not brought into play with usage in a machine.  They're noticed by benchmarks, but it's been shown time and again that NVMe vs SATA boots times are identical, for example.

 

But to your point, if Excel opened in 1/10 of a second or 1/4 of a second... one is MUCH faster than the other but is it really noticeable to you?

Good point when it comes to Excel. The difference will be less noticeable is such a simple application. But I disagree that the latency and speeds are not important in real world applications. Boot times are not everything. We have SQL servers at work that benefited hugely from the decrease in latency and the higher random R/W speeds when we upgraded from high end SATA SSDs to NVMe drives.

 

OP probably wont notice a big difference, but I would not say that they wasted money buying a great SSD like the one they just purchased.