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Andreas Lilja

Canadian border agents increasingly being nosey with tech

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1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Patriot act is based on you being a terrorist and acts as a form of less restrictive probable cause, second one is info controlled by the government, and while they might not care it's hard to argue their case in court.

Except the patriot act removed the need for warrants in special cases and even if they need a warrant they can get one up to 72 hours after the fact. Most judges never deny a warrant request either


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4 hours ago, TetraSky said:

It's not really a new thing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/border-phone-laptop-search-cbsa-canada-cbp-us-1.4002609
 

When you go to another country, you should expect to have your shit looked into and if you refuse to comply, have it seized and/or get refused access to the country.

 

The last line of that article I linked is quite telling

 

This sort of crap happens all the time to people travelling to the US, why shouldn't it happen when travelling to Canada?

I don't really care what portion of politics you lean on, but no one should have a right to check your electronics if they're protected by a password (privacy laws where you cannot be forced to provide any information). There comes a point where regulation goes too far and this is one of those times. 


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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Except the patriot act removed the need for warrants in special cases and even if they need a warrant they can get one up to 72 hours after the fact. Most judges never deny a warrant request either

Because if you're a terrorist they consider it probable cause and no need for a warrant.  Probable cause is when you can search and detain someone without the need of a warrant.   The fact that terrorist plans and contact might be on that laptop and phone = probable cause in that scenario to not need a warrant to search those devices.  That doesn't work on a tourist not deemed a terrorist.  If they went out of their way to hack your stuff without any form of a warrant or probable cause then it's pretty easy to get the case thrown away.  Like, if they take your shit here and then hack into it while trying to use the info they found in the process, without a warrant or probable cause, then there is a good chance that info cannot be used in court and you'd get off easily.


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Been happening in Australia for years, I assumed most civilised countries did this (or had the powers to). I've personally had my phone gone through when returning from holiday, it was an uneasy feeling that's for sure.

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57 minutes ago, floofer said:

I don’t have anything to be embarrassed about down there.

I feel like some part of this is a lie.


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5 hours ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Assumming you don't want to lose your equipment, highly sensitive data should be encrypted and uploaded to a cloud service and subsequently wiped from your equipment. If you don't need a lot of compute, consider a cheap Atom 2-in-1 or an older laptop for work. I tend to lean toward the Atom tablets as the battery life tends to be usable compared to using an old laptop.

 

Though I'd probably keep a heavily encrypted 2 GB flash drive with my rabbit pictures to entertain the NSA for awhile if they bite. 😇

or just travel with "burner" tech.

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14 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Been happening in Australia for years, I assumed most civilised countries did this (or had the powers to). I've personally had my phone gone through when returning from holiday, it was an uneasy feeling that's for sure. 

Attn: @colonel_moretits

As LTT is a civilized site, please add schwellmo92 to LTT watch list.  If the Australian Government felt they were worthy of such, who are we to question and do any less?

Feel free to forward all their 'goings on' here to their gov as well for good measure.  Oh, and BCC China, their mom(s) and that nosey unqualified porn addicted gossiping intern too; cause why not?

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11 minutes ago, CUDAcores89 said:

or just travel with "burner" tech.

Me: "Uhm, Mr. Border Patrol, you sure you want to see my Note 7? It's got an automated self-destruct feature ya know."


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If I travel internationally, I'm clearing cookies and signing out of pretty much every app or account. 

The idea that information, possibly dating back decades, is automatically forfeit is ridiculous. 


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So... basically the solution here is to have 2 accounts on our devices so that they can access some whatever benign stuff you can deceive them with to satisfy their curiosity but still be able to protect your privacy? #proprivacyTips (and I guess by extension that means #procriminalTips too but what can we do)

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Here's the issue.

 

At the border, under current Canadian law and legal precedent, you have less rights to privacy than if you were stopped at the side of the road by a police officer. The legal basis is that since you are presenting yourself to CBSA with a request for entry into the country, any goods you have on you, including your personal belongings, is subject to examination by a border officer to determine if it is eligible for entry into the country, under the Customs Act, RSC 1985, 98.(1):

 

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-52.6/page-27.html#h-75

 

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Search of the person

  • 98 (1) An officer may search

    • (a) any person who has arrived in Canada, within a reasonable time after his arrival in Canada,

    • (b) any person who is about to leave Canada, at any time prior to his departure, or

    • (c) any person who has had access to an area designated for use by persons about to leave Canada and who leaves the area but does not leave Canada, within a reasonable time after he leaves the area,

    if the officer suspects on reasonable grounds that the person has secreted on or about his person anything in respect of which this Act has been or might be contravened, anything that would afford evidence with respect to a contravention of this Act or any goods the importation or exportation of which is prohibited, controlled or regulated under this or any other Act of Parliament.

Furthermore, under the Customs Act, RSC 1985, 99.(1), Customs officers have the legal right to examine any good entering Canada up until the good is released from customs inspection:

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Examination of goods

  • 99 (1) An officer may

    • (a) at any time up to the time of release, examine any goods that have been imported and open or cause to be opened any package or container of imported goods and take samples of imported goods in reasonable amounts;

    • (b) at any time up to the time of release, examine any mail that has been imported and, subject to this section, open or cause to be opened any such mail that the officer suspects on reasonable grounds contains any goods referred to in the Customs Tariff, or any goods the importation of which is prohibited, controlled or regulated under any other Act of Parliament, and take samples of anything contained in such mail in reasonable amounts;

    • (c) at any time up to the time of exportation, examine any goods that have been reported under section 95 and open or cause to be opened any package or container of such goods and take samples of such goods in reasonable amounts;

    • (c.1) at any time up to the time of exportation, examine any mail that is to be exported and, subject to this section, open or cause to be opened any such mail that the officer suspects on reasonable grounds contains any goods the exportation of which is prohibited, controlled or regulated under any Act of Parliament, and take samples of anything contained in such mail in reasonable amounts;

    • (d) where the officer suspects on reasonable grounds that an error has been made in the tariff classification, value for duty or quantity of any goods accounted for under section 32, or where a refund or drawback is requested in respect of any goods under this Act or pursuant to the Customs Tariff, examine the goods and take samples thereof in reasonable amounts;

    • (d.1) where the officer suspects on reasonable grounds that an error has been made with respect to the origin claimed or determined for any goods accounted for under section 32, examine the goods and take samples thereof in reasonable amounts;

    • (e) where the officer suspects on reasonable grounds that this Act or the regulations or any other Act of Parliament administered or enforced by him or any regulations thereunder have been or might be contravened in respect of any goods, examine the goods and open or cause to be opened any package or container thereof; or

    • (f) where the officer suspects on reasonable grounds that this Act or the regulations or any other Act of Parliament administered or enforced by him or any regulations thereunder have been or might be contravened in respect of any conveyance or any goods thereon, stop, board and search the conveyance, examine any goods thereon and open or cause to be opened any package or container thereof and direct that the conveyance be moved to a customs office or other suitable place for any such search, examination or opening.

In addition, under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, SC 2001, 139, a officer has the legal right to go through your personal belongings:

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  • 139 (1) An officer may search any person seeking to come into Canada and may search their luggage and personal effects and the means of transportation that conveyed the person to Canada if the officer believes on reasonable grounds that the person

    • (a) has not revealed their identity or has hidden on or about their person documents that are relevant to their admissibility; or

    • (b) has committed, or possesses documents that may be used in the commission of, an offence referred to in section 117, 118 or 122.

 

Furthermore, under the law, if the officer has suspicion that there's something being hidden in a good or some form of illegality, they have the legal right to have the item seized for further examination under Customs Act, RSC 1985, 111:

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Seizure of goods or conveyances

  • 110 (1) An officer may, where he believes on reasonable grounds that this Act or the regulations have been contravened in respect of goods, seize as forfeit

    • (a) the goods; or

    • (b) any conveyance that the officer believes on reasonable grounds was made use of in respect of the goods, whether at or after the time of the contravention.

  • Seizure of conveyances

    (2) An officer may, where he believes on reasonable grounds that this Act or the regulations have been contravened in respect of a conveyance or in respect of persons transported by a conveyance, seize as forfeit the conveyance.

  • Seizure of evidence

    (3) An officer may, where he believes on reasonable grounds that this Act or the regulations have been contravened, seize anything that he believes on reasonable grounds will afford evidence in respect of the contravention.

  • Notice of seizure

    (4) An officer who seizes goods or a conveyance as forfeit under subsection (1) or (2) shall take such measures as are reasonable in the circumstances to give notice of the seizure to any person who the officer believes on reasonable grounds is entitled to make an application under section 138 in respect of the goods or conveyance.

Customs officers powers are also extremely broad, under Customs Act, RSC 1985, 153, it is illegal to do anything that might hinder a customs officer's ability to carry out their tasks:

 

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153 No person shall

  • (a) make, or participate in, assent to or acquiesce in the making of, false or deceptive statements in a statement or answer made orally or in writing pursuant to this Act or the regulations;

  • (a.1) make, or participate in, assent to or acquiesce in the making of, false or deceptive statements in an application for an advance ruling under section 43.1 or a certificate referred to in section 97.1;

  • (b) to avoid compliance with this Act or the regulations,

    • (i) destroy, alter, mutilate, secrete or dispose of records or books of account,

    • (ii) make, or participate in, assent to or acquiesce in the making of, false or deceptive entries in records or books of account, or

    • (iii) omit, or participate in, assent to or acquiesce in the omission of, a material particular from records or books of account; or

  • (c) wilfully, in any manner, evade or attempt to evade compliance with any provision of this Act or evade or attempt to evade the payment of duties under this Act.

  • R.S., 1985, c. 1 (2nd Supp.), s. 153;
  • 1988, c. 65, s. 80;
  • 1993, c. 44, s. 105;
  • 1996, c. 33, s. 39;
  • 1997, c. 14, s. 46.

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153.1 No person shall, physically or otherwise, do or attempt to do any of the following:

  • (a) interfere with or molest an officer doing anything that the officer is authorized to do under this Act; or

  • (b) hinder or prevent an officer from doing anything that the officer is authorized to do under this Act.

 

Basically, if you have information that you don't want anyone else to see, keep it off your personal electronic devices at the border, and turn on airplane mode!

The same issue is true elsewhere; basically, the legal line of though is similar.

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This is actually old news. If you watch the tv show Border Security they do this all the time to people crossing borders. Most of the time it's foreigners, who have no choice . " let us look into your device or we will refuse entrance to you". Most people comply.

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17 hours ago, TetraSky said:

It's not really a new thing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/border-phone-laptop-search-cbsa-canada-cbp-us-1.4002609
 

When you go to another country, you should expect to have your shit looked into and if you refuse to comply, have it seized and/or get refused access to the country.

 

The last line of that article I linked is quite telling

 

This sort of crap happens all the time to people travelling to the US, why shouldn't it happen when travelling to Canada?

Yep, I get to hear enough from others in my unit when we travel with hardware.

 

Folks been hung up in France, Germany, and many other countries over the hardware we have to travel with at times.  Even with official documents, border agents love to get nosey and act like they can ignore that document.


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17 hours ago, TetraSky said:

This sort of crap happens all the time to people travelling to the US, why shouldn't it happen when travelling to Canada?

It's quite insane that you can get your VISA cancelled and entrance to Canada denied if you have say furry/feral drawn pornography on the device because bestiality is a crime in Canada.


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3 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

It's quite insane that you can get your VISA cancelled and entrance to Canada denied if you have say furry/feral drawn pornography on the device because bestiality is a crime in Canada.

Sounds like an oddly specific example... Do you have something to say? 🤔


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54 minutes ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

Sounds like an oddly specific example... Do you have something to say? 🤔

It's a true story I heard at Derpibooru (largest imageboard of MLP), person had some... erotic innocent draws of ponies on his laptop... got entrance on Canada denied due to endorsing bestiality which violates local law.

 

Makes me consider worthy having a different SSD/OS to swap your personal one during traveling :P


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5 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

It's a true story I heard at Derpibooru (largest imageboard of MLP), person had some... erotic innocent draws of ponies on his laptop... got entrance on Canada denied due to endorsing bestiality which violates local law.

 

Makes me consider worthy having a different SSD/OS to swap your personal one during traveling :P

Seriously? I thought the clopping off thing was a joke, I didn't realise people actually rub one out to pony porn.

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Im really glad we dont have e BS like this inside the EU....  I would have a crap ton of problem because all of my devices are encrypted and no way in hell im gonna gve up my password.

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1 hour ago, Monkey Dust said:

Seriously? I thought the clopping off thing was a joke, I didn't realise people actually rub one out to pony porn.

You must be new to the internet. /s

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The CBSA said that between November 2017 and March 2019, 19,515 travellers had their digital devices examined, which represents 0.015 per cent of all cross-border travelers during that period.

 

During 38 per cent of those searches, officers uncovered evidence of a customs-related offenses — which can include possessing prohibited material or undeclared goods, and money laundering, said the agency.

Most Canadians who cross over don't have to worry about this. He went to Guatemala and Columbia which are drug producing countries and said he went there to learn Spanish. it a bit suspicious. which is probably why the CBSA agents tagged him.

 

but in this case the Attorney\Client privilege needs to be respected and it will probably head up to the higher courts.

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