Jump to content
Search In
  • More options...
Find results that contain...
Find results in...
JustAnotherTechGuy99

Macs are Slower - LTT Video Discussion

Recommended Posts

Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello all,

I just saw the latest LTT video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947op8yKJRY ) (at time of writing) and Linus was on a Witch Hunt for Apple Inc. yet again. Now while he did raise some valid points concerning the inefficient head dispersion and the problems with thermal-throttling I just wanted to discuss the other aspects to this scenario.

 

Most of the people in the world are not tech enthusiasts as he said and yes Apple products have immense ‘sex’ appeal and they do under perform for some workloads, but the main point that I wanted to discuss is if one were to purchase said products for a professional setting.

 

If a Programmer or Graphic Designer went all out and purchases a fully specced Apple computer to   handle their work load(s) they will have at the bare minimum, some knowledge of the internals to handle said work. On the other hand as we know, an average person that does not know the difference between Google and Google Chrome might also purchase the same computer (although very unlikely) or a similar cheaper Mac for their day-to-day activities. The professional will understand there will be possible issues, but unless it is very specific they will not do anything about it and they are more than likely going for a Mac because they simply want to, and/or they have been a customer for years and they are loyal and like the software etc.

 

So now onto the throttling. If it is a laptop that was purchased then the owner will know (depending on the person) that you cannot get the exact same performance when in comparison to a Desktop counter part in almost every scenario. If an iMac was purchased.. well it is encaged in a small Aluminium shell so of course there will be issues.

The points are these in a nutshell:

 

Firstly, people purchase products they want and/or need and  from companies they trust.

 

Secondly, If a customer spend between 1 – 6 k on a Macintosh there is a very high probability they either have insurance either personal or work and also the funds to purchase AppleCare+ if, the computer is damaged.

 

Now of course, one could say ‘Well Apple does not care!’ possibly, who knows. The better argument would be is it ethical to sellcomputers that are deliberately tuned down? But at the end of the day unless it is very specific circumstances would you even notice the turbo boost anyway? I am sure there are scenarios, and if you know of one then I hope it is mission critical and not just ‘It is mission critical because I said so’.

 

I just wanted to post my thoughts here and hopefully strike up some more conversation about this. And I hope the continued conversation will be kept civilised I did not mean to agitate anyone.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thank you.

JTAG

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, iMacs are used by many professionals who require the extra turbo boost, mabye not your average consumer, but pros buying the iMac Pro would rather spend less, but apple makes them spend more for the same performance.

Hopefully the Mac Pro gets a reboot, back into the good old tower style case.

 

imagine if yo bought a car, and it was a ferrari. And that ferrari was just a honda civic, but with some sexy chairs, and a nice paintjob. Then say you wanted to be an amateur race car driver, and the track only allowed lambos and Ferraris (not very realistic) and it was the only choice, if the Ferrari costed 50k, you’d have to buy it, and it wouldnt be a good deal. Sure, in regular driving, thered be no difference, but once you put it in a real race with other cars that are 50k, you’d get demolished (pls no make fun of my crappy example) 


Hello! Feel free to PM me anything. Here's my stuff below!

PC (Main)

Spoiler

CPU: i5-8400 CPU Cooler: Cryorig M9 Plus   Motherboard: Gigabyte B360M DS3H | RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x8 DDR4-2400 SSD: Inland 480GB SSD | Video Card: RX 570 4GB Strix OC | Case: Fractal Design Meshify C White TGPSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 Monitor: Sceptre 24" 1080p 75hz Webcam: Logitech C920 Keyboard: Corsair Strafe | Mouse: Corsair Harpoon RGB

 

NAS:

Spoiler

Synology DS418J w/ 4x WD Red Pro 6TB RAID 10

Seagate 5TB external SMR 2.5" HDD

MS Office 365 - 1TB Onedrive

 

Phone/Tablet:

Spoiler

iPhone XR 64GB iPad Mini 4 128GB

 

Laptops:

Spoiler

Dell XPS 15 9570 i7-8750H + 1050 Ti MacBook Air 13" mid-2012

 

Audio:

Spoiler

Schiit Fulla 2 & Sennheiser HD 598 Cs | Corsair HS70 KZ ZS10 Pro | Audio-Technica LP120USB Audioengine A2+

 

Stationary (new hobby!)

Spoiler

Pencils: Staedtler 925-05 (.5mm), Pentel Smash Q1005 (.5mm), Uni Kuru Toga Roulette (.5mm), Uni Nano Dia .5mm 2B, Mitsubishi 9850 HB

Pens: Several Uni Signo UM-151s, Several Pilot G2s, Kaweco AL Sport Touch ballpoint

Fountain Pens: Pilot Metropolitan F, Lamy Al-Star M, Lamy CP1 F

Ink: Diamine Jet Black, Diamine Oxford Blue

 

Wishlist (feel free to PM me recommendations): Pentel Orenz .2/.3mm, Pentel Graph for Pro 1000 (.5mm), Rotring 600 (.5mm), Pilot Vanishing Point/Lamy 2000, Pilot Iroshizuki Kon-peki, Noodler's Tiananmen.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

LMG, including Linus, thinks that benchmarks and temperatures are what determine if a laptop is good or not.

 

They, and a lot of tech enthusiasts, don't realize that most people don't care about Cinebench scores and thermal throttling.

 

Most people (non-techies) prioritize build quality, battery life, screen, and "speed" (as in storage) in laptops.

 

While I don't agree with every design choice that Apple makes, I notice that Linus is almost always criticizing them... which is bad, and they should stop doing it.


Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: Intel® Xeon® X5675 @ 4.62 GHz 1.4V Motherboard: ASUS P6X58-E WS (BCLK: 201 MHz) CPU Cooler: NZXT HAVIK 140 & Noctua NA-SRC10 RAM: Crucial DDR3-1606 8-11-11-28 (2x4GB) GPU: ASUS GeForce® GTX 770 DirectCU II (Core Clock: 1250 MHz, Memory Clock: 3505 MHz) SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 2.5" 1TB (W10 Pro) HDD: WD Green 3.5" 1TB (7.2K RPM) PSU: Corsair AX860i & White CableMod ModFlex™ Cables Case: Fractal Design Meshify C TG (White) Fans: Intake: 1x Dynamic X2 GP-12, Exhaust: 1x Dynamic X2 GP-12 Monitors: LG 24GL650-B 23.6" 1080p 144Hz 300 nit TN FreeSync & Samsung S24D390 23.6" 1080p 60Hz 250 nit PLS (OC'd to 75Hz) Keyboard: Logitech G710+ (Cherry MX Browns) Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Mouse Pad: Steelseries QcK Racing Wheel: Logitech G27 & Six-Speed Shifter Audio: Bose SoundSport In-Ear Headphones (Charcoal) CPU-Z

Primary Laptop:

Spoiler

Model: Apple MacBook Pro 13" 2019 (Silver, Touch Bar, 2x TB3 Ports) CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-8257U @ 1.4 GHz RAM: LPDDR3-2133 (8GB) GPU: Intel® Iris® Plus Graphics 645 SSD: NVME PCIe 256GB Display: 13.3" 2560x1600 60Hz 500 nit IPS Battery: 58.2 Wh dbrand Skins: Trackpad (White Marble) & Palmrest (Hyperblack Titanium) Audio: Apple AirPods Pro

Secondary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-950 @ Stock Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R CPU Cooler: Corsair H50 RAM: Corsair XMS3 DDR3 (3x2GB) & Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 (1x4GB) GPU: HIS Radeon HD 5770 SSD: None HDD: None PSU: HP 500W Unit Case: Corsair 100R

Secondary Laptop:

Spoiler

Model: ASUS ROG G750JW CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-4700HQ @ 3.4 GHz RAM: DDR3-1600 11-11-11-28 (3x4GB) GPU: NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 765M SSD: SanDisk SSD Plus 2.5" 120GB (W10 Pro) HDD: Toshiba 2.5" 750GB (5.4K RPM) Display: 17.3" 1080p 60Hz 350 nit TN Monitor: Dell E2418HN 24" 1080p 60Hz 250 nit IPS Battery: 88 Wh Mouse: Logitech MK235 Audio: Beats Studio3 Wireless (Midnight Black)

Link to post
Share on other sites

The points raised by Linus are very solid. I didn't know many of them and I was shocked when I watched the video. For instance the fact that they advertise a very high end CPU that won't perform worse than one with a lower tdp is one of them. This is simply misleading. Therefore I don't understand why 

11 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

they should stop doing it.

since they would have done the same for every other manufacturer.

Link to post
Share on other sites
31 minutes ago, JustAnotherTechGuy99 said:

If a Programmer or Graphic Designer went all out and purchases a fully specced Apple computer to   handle their work load(s) they will have at the bare minimum, some knowledge of the internals to handle said work

I really don't think this is true, laptop hunting or PC building for this group of people in my experience has shown that they really have no clue what the guts of their PC are or do, and they're very susceptible to marketing fluff.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

Link to post
Share on other sites

need to work to keep things concise, that's a lot of rumbling (though not like I'm much better)

 

25 minutes ago, JustAnotherTechGuy99 said:

If a Programmer or Graphic Designer went all out and purchases a fully specced Apple computer to   handle their work load(s) they will have at the bare minimum, some knowledge of the internals to handle said work. On the other hand as we know, an average person that does not know the difference between Google and Google Chrome might also purchase the same computer (although very unlikely) or a similar cheaper Mac for their day-to-day activities. The professional will understand there will be possible issues, but unless it is very specific they will not do anything about it and they are more than likely going for a Mac because they simply want to, and/or they have been a customer for years and they are loyal and like the software etc.

 

so people either know the consequences and accept them, or dont know anything nor care

 

26 minutes ago, JustAnotherTechGuy99 said:

If it is a laptop that was purchased then the owner will know (depending on the person) that you cannot get the exact same performance when in comparison to a Desktop counter part in almost every scenario

nah the average people wont.

 

27 minutes ago, JustAnotherTechGuy99 said:

If an iMac was purchased.. well it is encaged in a small Aluminium shell so of course there will be issues.

nah many average poeple don't. Just like how "loyal" Christians avoid admitting God is a mass murderer, the followers think their God has managed everything well and its their responsibility to use them as intended.

 

30 minutes ago, JustAnotherTechGuy99 said:

 

Secondly, If a customer spend between 1 – 6 k on a Macintosh there is a very high probability they either have insurance either personal or work and also the funds to purchase AppleCare+ if, the computer is damaged.

having long warranty is NOT an excuse to potentially shorten your products lifespan by making them run exceedingly hot.

 

31 minutes ago, JustAnotherTechGuy99 said:

But at the end of the day unless it is very specific circumstances would you even notice the turbo boost anyway?

Thinking that the 8250U and 8550U has a turbo clock more than twice their base clock, yes you will. Even as simple as compressing and decompressing a file, that's half the speed if you disable turbo boost


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

Link to post
Share on other sites

Apple's selling point at this point is just their OS at this point... we have plenty of alternative Windows machines that match or even surpass Apple's so called "premium build quality" on either laptop/ultrabook to PC side of things.


Workstation Rig:
CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

 prioritize build quality, battery life, screen, and "speed" (as in storage) in laptops

the honestly like their build quality, as much as people say their OS sucks, windows has issues too along with other os as well, the main reason i dont use an apple pc is because i am just not accustomed to it


PC: Alienware 15 R3  Cpu: 7700hq  GPu : 1070 OC   Display: 1080p IPS Gsync panel 60hz  Storage: 970 evo 250 gb / 970 evo plus 500gb 

Link to post
Share on other sites

-Thread locked-

 

There is already a discussion thread for this video:

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.


×