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Running FX how bad could it be, been running FX for a couple months now and keep getting that urge to upgrade but for my first CPU other than an apu system how bad could it be for the youth that dont have money to buy sub 6,7,8 hundred dollar computers. If you have had any problems in past experience with FX lmk.

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The only problems I had were the FX-8150 I used liked to run hot and the 8150 at stock clocks would bottleneck 2x 7970's in CFX. Had to overclock it to at least 4.2GHz to alleviate it.

 

Other than that I thought it was a good platform for the time. I think people could get better today on the used market.


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buying an FX right now? simply no

 

I had an 8350 and well it was a problem since Day 1, I foolishly thought the stock cooler was enough to keep it cool, it wasn't, so I had to spend a few more bucks on cooling, it wasn't a big deal since it was a new rig and compared to my old toaster it was way better. It was paired with a 8800 card at that time. Then I upgraded graphics card and the bottleneck started being noticeable so I had to overclock

 

it wasn't my first rodeo so to speak so I knew what to do, but the temps kept skyrocketing so I spend more on cooling to cool the CPU but oh surprise looks like overclocking also increased the northbridge temps so I replaced the stock heatsink for a TT, then the VRM heatsinks, it was finally stable after months of testings and dealing with problems.

 

I'll give it a 3/10 only because it ran Dark Souls 3.


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Overclocked FX 8530 works somewhat fine if you have a GTX 1050ti for example and you play some not too demanding games at 1080p and you're happy with 45 to 60FPS...other than that i'd say get an older core i7 or a cheap ryzen instead if you have higher expectations!

 

I had an overclocked to 4.5ghz FX-8320 paired with a GTX 780 back in like 2014 or something and already the CPU was struggling to keep up in many titles.


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A Ryzen 3 1200 / 2200G makes more sense than getting FX at this point, regardless the cost.


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For 1080P? Yes. Anything more? No.

 

I used an FX-6100 for a long time and my buddy still does. Fine platform, doesn't deserve the hate it gets.


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You can game on them today. You'll probably want to overclock, though. Obviously, you'll be limited on what GPUs you can fully take advantage of, but if you're on a budget, that probably isn't an issue.

 

That said, if only sub-$600 is your target, FX isn't a good choice. The Ryzen 5 1600 is only $120 right now, and the Ryzen 3 1200 is around $75. AM4 is still supported by AMD, allowing you to upgrade later.

 

On the used market, I'd maybe look at Ivy Bridge or older-but-still-relevant Xeons. You might be able to find a cheap prebuilt and upgrade that, too. You'll need to do your research, here, but you have options, many of which are cheaper than FX.

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If you need 8 cores for a specific task and you need em cheap, then FX may make some sense. However, new Ryzen CPUs being so cheap and used ones even cheaper, it makes zero sense to "save money" by getting FX instead of Ryzen for any kind of PC. Too hot and loud and inefficient for a basic office/browsing/word processing PC, too slow and old for gaming, too crap for a productivity machine.

 

Edit: just did a quick spot check, i5 2400 is about the price of an FX 4100 and an i7 2600 is about the price of an 8320, H61 board versus an A78 board is also comparable, so there's basically no reason at all to get an FX CPU really.


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I had an Athlon XP 3200+ machine I built myself nrand new in the mid 2000's and ran until 2015-2016. After that I built myself an FX 4300 system with a GT 740 and was blown away by how much better it was.

 

Is it great? No.

Is it better than a c2d or an Athlon XP? Miles.

 

If you have an FX and no money don't worry, it's good enough to have fun.


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Considering it gets beaten by much cheaper i3's, there's no point in buying one, no.

Unless you get it super, super cheap in some kind of crazy cheap combo kit.

Even then, though, there's always older Intel stuff.


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With a decent 990fx mobo, good vrm, fx8 chip high speed low cas ddr3 and a high overclock on everything, yeah they 'sort of' hold up. Getting that stuff second hand still holds a decent price on the second hand market for some reason, pretty much new system pricing. 

 

I'm still using one, only new game I play is x4 foundations which runs pretty dam well at 1440, but also only uses vulcan.   


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If you get an FX-6100 for $5 and can find an AM3+ mobo for $25, sure, it's worthwhile.

 

I mean, like all things in life, it's about the price point. If someone paid me enough to buy their netbook, I'd gladly do so. As far as FX goes, the only CPU left that I'd even consider using today is the 8350, and that's in a light gaming or editing system if you can find it at a low enough price that something like a Ryzen 5 doesn't make sense. With R5 1600s down to $50 at Micro Center if you buy a board with one, that's a hard bar to cross.


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FX is in no way worth it since first-gen Ryzen CPUs are now nearly cheap as dirt. I've been seeing Ryzen 1700's down to $95 on some sites. Slap in a decent B350 or B450 mobo and 8GB of decent DDR4 RAM (2400mhz at least) and you've got a good Ryzen system that will wipe the floor with any FX system for less than the prices you are quoting.

 

A guildmate of mine in FFXIV slogs along with an FX 6350 and an RX 570, and his framerate chugs in raids especially if there's a lot of effects going on at once. His 570 is bottlenecked by the CPU in a lot of games. Some of my guildmates are pooling together a small fund to get him upgraded to a Ryzen 2600 and an MSI B450 Mortar board, as he's a well-liked and key member of the guild.


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I used to and still love the FX CPU's, but at this time other then a cheap workstation or media computer there's no point in using them now to build a PC, especially not a gaming PC, taking into account the power consumption and costs to get an FX with a good overclock so that a majority of games work decently you could get something a lot better (and mind you that can only be with an FX 43XX or 83XX, as most 63XX are horrible overclockers, and while the FX43XX can overclock decently even overclocked it doesn't provide a good gaming experience). FX CPU's where viable depending on the usage and overclock up till Skylake, after that and especially with ryzen plus the second hand market saturated with various past intel cpu's and hardware you can get a much better value and well performing machine for gaming then investing in a FX CPU.

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If you already have one and don't want / need ultra high resolution / framerates, then the FX can still hold it's own.
But buying one new? I'd never do that. You'd be stuck with an old platform, DDR3 memory only, expensive motherboards and mostly an old, underperforming and power hungry CPU architecture.

Any AMD Ryzen or 7th / 8th / 9th generation i5 would be significantly faster and much more efficient than any FX chip out there. And a lot more modern as well.

 

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Don't. It will just bring a lot of frustration. 


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6 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

The only problems I had were the FX-8150 I used liked to run hot and the 8150 at stock clocks would bottleneck 2x 7970's in CFX. Had to overclock it to at least 4.2GHz to alleviate it.

 

Other than that I thought it was a good platform for the time. I think people could get better today on the used market.

 

5 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

Overclocked FX 8530 works somewhat fine if you have a GTX 1050ti for example and you play some not too demanding games at 1080p and you're happy with 45 to 60FPS...other than that i'd say get an older core i7 or a cheap ryzen instead if you have higher expectations!

 

I had an overclocked to 4.5ghz FX-8320 paired with a GTX 780 back in like 2014 or something and already the CPU was struggling to keep up in many titles.

FX 8 cores will bottleneck anything over a 285/380, iirc.

 

Alright, I'm going to add my experience going from a 9370 to a 4790k.

 

1.  Bottlenecks are mostly exaggerated.  Are they there?  Yes, but the frame rate difference is based more on consistency for the noticeable difference. 

 

2. Both were fucking space heaters people like to give FX shit for heat, but they never wanted to tell you about Intel's heat problem until i9s were thing.

 

3.  The single thread aspect is also exaggerated, but the 4790k still won there.

 

4.  FX was really only designed to "compete" with 2nd gen core series CPUs, and they road the hell out of FX.  And, Haswell pretty much put it to shame on both the single threaded side and the multi threaded side.  However, the amount Intel diehards will tell you about are mostly exaggerations.  But, FX wasn't really anything to brag about either due to bottlenecking and poor performance on the single threaded side compared to Haswells.

 

Basically, Intel was the better option until zen came out.  I'd personally just wait for zen 2 next month rather than getting a pointless cpu like an FX unless you need it for a reason mentioned by someone above.  But, if it's for DDR3 reasons just go haswell refresh.


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I went from a FX8350 which was paired with a good set of RAM 2400 cl 9 i think and a sabertooth 990fx, 970 gpu. The cpu was watercooled as was teh motherboard and card everything was overclocked and the fx ran 5ghz daily. After loads of people said intel would shit on my rig i switched to intel and left AMD behind....

 

MAN WAS I DISAPPOINTED!!! 

 

All these claims made by intel users about how superior and such their chips where exaggerated, in benchmarks i wasn't that far away from them, and fps in games was always well above 60fps... possibly 10-20 fps lower than my intel rigs max but hell.... it was also extremely boring to overclock. 

 

Back to the question at hand is it worth it now to have one? Nah.... not now, tech has moved well on since then.

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On 4/28/2019 at 5:06 AM, Princess Luna said:

A Ryzen 3 1200 / 2200G makes more sense than getting FX at this point, regardless the cost.

FX has/had terrible overheating, low single core score so yeah go with Ryzen

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On 4/27/2019 at 10:41 PM, Shadows In The Dark said:

Running FX how bad could it be, been running FX for a couple months now and keep getting that urge to upgrade but for my first CPU other than an apu system how bad could it be for the youth that dont have money to buy sub 6,7,8 hundred dollar computers. If you have had any problems in past experience with FX lmk.

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Since you already have it, is it doing what you need it to do?  If not, then upgrading is something you need to look into.

 

As others point out, buying one now isn't a good idea.  Since you have one tho... enjoy it.


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