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20 Million PC Gamers to Switch to Consoles by 2022, as per Jon Peddie Research

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48 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

My first build I only used a TV because that is what I had at the time. It actually worked really well and was comparable to an entry level monitor minus the input lag. And the old build was a R5 1600 with a 1060 3gb. 

In what world is an R5 and a 1060 considered old?

47 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Also I do find it strange that you would bring up racing games because it is honestly one of the few games I play on my xbox. 

Because I'm a mind reading time traveler and we've had this conversation before.  Not bad when those frame timings are nailed down solid, eh?  Not so much when they're not.

Do bare in mind I initially said 'I wouldn't blame them' not that I believe that 20mil ppl would jump from PC to console.

 

P.S.  I really hope you're not comparing a new last year old PC to the original xbox, or I'll have to group you in with the inter-sectional feminist statisticians.

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I can kinda see a future scenario where consoles get full kb+m support, all the PC exclusive genres like CRPGs, RTS, MOBA, etc. get ported over, and at the same time I become a parent and can't afford quality gaming rigs anymore.

 

In this case, a $300 console seems like it might actually be a decent option. 

 

However, I'd also need a computer for work, so I'd still have to dish out money for a laptop or an office-style desktop, at which point I might just as well forget about the console and get a full gaming/work rig instead like I have now. :P 


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1 hour ago, bradwiggo said:

Also for a lot of people designing and building the PC is the fun part, which is something you simply can't do with a console. 

But you can’t subscribe to an online service that never works on PC...


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Interesting outlook, and honestly if they're thinking about people that play Fortnite and similar games almost exclusively, I could see it being a thing. Consoles are cheaper, easier to set up, easier to purchase, etc etc. Most people already have a TV, so they don't have to dedicate that much more space. For the casual gamer, a console makes a lot more sense than investing into a gaming PC. Especially if you're only playing a few titles. With the rising costs of some PC components, it might push those people more towards consoles as a cheaper alternative.

Personally, I could see myself buying a console. I don't play many games, and if my friends were to migrate more towards consoles for ease of use and space requirements, then I likely would too. I'll likely build one more high end gaming PC in 2020/2021, and after that I really don't see myself needing anything better for at least 5 years. At that point, I'll probably have moved on to other things.

 

19 hours ago, fasauceome said:

Someone tell the RX 570 that GPU prices are going up

I think they're referring to the higher end cards, which have steadily increased in price over the years. Can't really argue that.

It'll be interesting to see what AMD does with their next generation though; go for the value option and capture more market, or go for price and hope they can grab enough in sales to offset the lower volume.

19 hours ago, 2SidedPolygon said:

Analyze away, but in my mind, at least, some great migration to console just doesn't seem likely. PCs will inherently be able to do more and people use them because they like that. Nobody's going to say, "Oh, consoles can deliver a decent gaming experience now! Guess I'll kiss all the other things I love about PC goodbye!". And GPU prices are going up? Give me a break.

Yes, but you're in the mindset that said person wouldn't have a simple desktop or laptop as well, which is the wrong way to look at it. This is just looking at people who are playing games, it's not even remotely saying they're going to sell their desktop or not have a PC and will only have a console. It's just looking at gaming, not every other usea PC has. GPU prices are certainly going up. You just have to look at their launch prices to realize that, and if you don't...well...numbers are hard?

19 hours ago, seoz said:

Not if I still have to pay £50 a year just to play online.

I've never really understood that as a reason. I mean, sure, it's an added cost, but realistically if you buy them on sale, you can get XBL for about $3 or $4/month. Which isn't bad at all, especially since it includes free games. I have some friends that only play on console because they're not hardcore gamers and don't have the room, or frankly desire to dedicate that much space to a PC. So we play on console, and a few dollars a month is extremely cheap entertainment.

19 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Do a poll OP and lets see if users think they will be switching.

 

Me?  Why?  Why not get a PC that can...do all of the things?  I traded my Xbox One (was given as a Christmas gift) for a winch.  Just sayin.

Cuz that won't be bias at allllll ?

Why do you think you wouldn't be able to have PC as well as a console? Or a PC and a laptop, which does the same things as a full blown desktop? Just sayin.

16 hours ago, Derangel said:

Highly optimized my ass. Also if you are including the cost of a monitor then you need to include the cost of a TV that can even take advantage of these consoles.

TV's aren't actually that expensive, and are comparable in price to a higher end computer monitor, so in the end the PC still costs more money.

12 hours ago, Salv8 (sam) said:

excuse me one sec....

ok,ok,ok,ok,.....

i'm not even gonna bother with tackling this as it's bullshit, seriously? PC gamers switching to console? mate you have that backwards...

 

oh before i forget! um, i decided to look at the source and who the people are behind the articles... (most of us on the forums do this because we like looking at the source ourselves to make our own opinion)

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oh hello Shruti! (oh don't even bother removing and replacing your profile pic, ive downloaded it and uploaded the downloaded one myself, that way you can't get rid of it! ?)

 

so simply, i'm reporting you, that and a request that your account gets banned, your IP also banned, and that techquila is no longer a accepted source anymore...

we aren't stupid, we are a forum full of people who don't like being fooled...

so when your team hears about this tell them this: "the LLT fourms no longer want to do anything with you, your team and your company and it's associates..."

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1 hour ago, fpo said:

Yes, because 90% of PC gamers have the money to buy a new console every 4 years. 

Naturally we were all waiting for ray tracing & subscription game services that cost more than $12 a month that don’t let you cancel anytime. 

Haha, I don't think 90% of PC gamers are that poor. Not having an extra $100 a year to put away is a pretty serious issue.

You can also get XBL for about $3 or $4 a month if you wait for a sale. So. There's that.

Nice try, though.


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17 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, I don't think 90% of PC gamers are that poor. Not having an extra $100 a year to put away is a pretty serious issue.

You can also get XBL for about $3 or $4 a month if you wait for a sale. So. There's that.

Nice try, though.

I don't think this is a financial issue.

You are likely right that most of us can easily afford 100 bucks a year for playing online.

But the thing is, it's a specific cost that doesn't exist on the PC. No need for a subscription or whatever.

If steam asks a few bucks a month to play games online and a few other nice but not required benefits, I would say this becomes a non-issue.

 

But why would you pay for something that you already have on another platform that's free? I think it's more the fact you have to pay (yes only a few bucks but amount isn't the key issue here) at all compared to no need to pay.

 

Free vs not-free is the main issue, not 5 bucks vs 10 bucks.


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Yeah, yeah, the desktop pc has been "dying" for what, 15 years now? Honestly I think the term "switch" to be a bit misleading, if all it means is that instead of upgrading their graphics card they'll buy a console then they still own a pc and games for it...


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4 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

I don't think this is a financial issue.

You are likely right that most of us can easily afford 100 bucks a year for playing online.

But the thing is, it's a specific cost that doesn't exist on the PC. No need for a subscription or whatever.

If steam asks a few bucks a month to play games online and a few other nice but not required benefits, I would say this becomes a non-issue.

 

But why would you pay for something that you already have on another platform that's free? I think it's more the fact you have to pay (yes only a few bucks but amount isn't the key issue here) at all compared to no need to pay.

 

Free vs not-free is the main issue, not 5 bucks vs 10 bucks.

You misunderstand the quote. He was talking about the cost of buying a new console every 4 years, which would work out to be about $100/year.

The cost does exist on PC, just not for every game. There are indeed games that require a monthly subscription.

 

You'd pay because you have friends that play on console more than PC, and even if you're paying that minuscule amount monthly, the overall cost of a console compared to a PC is lower.


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28 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I've never really understood that as a reason. I mean, sure, it's an added cost, but realistically if you buy them on sale, you can get XBL for about $3 or $4/month. Which isn't bad at all, especially since it includes free games. I have some friends that only play on console because they're not hardcore gamers and don't have the room, or frankly desire to dedicate that much space to a PC. So we play on console, and a few dollars a month is extremely cheap entertainment.

The thing is, I've never been lucky enough to get any sales. I've always paid the flat annual subscription of £40 per month until Sony raised the annual price to £50. I preferred to pay annually as generally, annual yields more value compared to monthly billings.

The free games you get with PS+ expire once your own PS+ expires, so it's hard to say I enjoy that part when I'm technically paying to maintain keeping those 'free' games.

 

To be fair, it really depends on which games are in subject. I recently played NBA 2K18 again after I bought a new HDMI cable for my PS4 and found out to my surprise that I could play MyCareer and join the neighbourhood without a PS+ subscription, it was great.

I then booted up GTA 5 Online only to forget that I didn't have a PS+ subscription.

 

I think the thing that urks me overall about the subscription fee is how, for a lack of a better word, garbage Sony is at maintaining PlayStation servers. There would always be a downtime twice a month when I used to play on my PS4 as my main entertainment console, and it felt like a kick in the jaw that I was paying £40 a year just to have the privilege to play online and have servers go down every so often.

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2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

You misunderstand the quote. He was talking about the cost of buying a new console every 4 years, which would work out to be about $100/year.

The cost does exist on PC, just not for every game. There are indeed games that require a monthly subscription.

 

You'd pay because you have friends that play on console more than PC, and even if you're paying that minuscule amount monthly, the overall cost of a console compared to a PC is lower.

I would even say 100 bucks a year is a lot.

If you don't buy consoles right on release you can get that number down quite a lot.

Like, i can buy a new ps4 or xbox one for 300 bucks and if it's on sale that's usually more around 250.

 

And usually if you play on PC, you meet friends that also play on PC and stay there.

Same goes for consoles. Of course people will switch from PC to console or vica versa because their friends are on a different platform but still. I doubt money is a big factor when you just want to have fun with friends.

 

Also, I don't have friends so I have no personal experience with such situations sooo yea....

And I wouldn't be so sure of the overall cost of a console being lower than a PC. Don't forget PC games are in general cheaper and have a LOT more sales and are almost always cheaper than their console equivalent. It might be a few bucks here and there but that can quickly add up.


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7 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Yes, but you're in the mindset that said person wouldn't have a simple desktop or laptop as well, which is the wrong way to look at it. This is just looking at people who are playing games, it's not even remotely saying they're going to sell their desktop or not have a PC and will only have a console. It's just looking at gaming, not every other usea PC has. GPU prices are certainly going up. You just have to look at their launch prices to realize that, and if you don't...well...numbers are hard?

The key word here is switch. We're talking about people making console their primary gaming platform, and that is what I don't see as likely. They may not necessarily sell their PC, but by making console their go-to they are giving up what they love about PC for the most part. Regarding GPU prices, let's take a look at those... The GTX 1060 6GB (I start with the 1060 and fail to mention the 1050(ti) vs the 1650 due to that being a bad card even in comparison with the rest of the Turing lineup, and the 570 being a much better replacement) hovered around the low $300s, at least in about the latter thirds of its lifetime (PCPartPicker's price history only lets you see so far back unfortunately), in spite of its MSRP of $250 (Ignoring the mining craze, of course), the GTX 1660's MSRP and going price also sitting at $220. Its other hypothetical equivalents, the 1660ti (MSRP $280; Going price the same) and 2060 (MSRP $350; Going price the same) with it average to the 1060s modern equivalents' costing about 5% less on average. Moving up, the 1070 launched with an MSRP of $380 and was priced around the low to mid $400s throughout the latter part of its lifetime. Its big brother, the 1070ti, launched with an MSRP of $450 and went for about the low to mid $500s throughout the latter part of its lifetime, the two having an average MSRP of $415 and average going price of $450. Regarding the new components. As an interruption here, you could claim my attempt to group the 1070 and 1070ti is deceptive, but I did just that with the 1660, 1660ti, and 2060 for the sake of clarity, and did it at my own expense for that matter, as simply equating the 1660 and 1060 would have been much more flattering. However, again, the grouping is for clarity and fairness. Not every card has a modern or older equivalent which one might compare it to. Now, for the 1070(ti)'s new alternative, we have the 2070. This card launched with an MSRP of $500+ (There are two slightly different versions, the former of which has an MSRP of simply $500, but I figured I wouldn't flatter my argument too much and it's not like it matters anyway. The going price is what's important) and has a going price in the low to mid $500s, its cheaper models in the mid to high $400s. For sake of argument, we'll give the card an average price of $480, making it about 6% more expensive than the last gen options on average. This is hardly a notable difference, and, in my opinion, is wholly justified. Even more notable, though, is the fact that we found the card to be cheaper than just the 1070ti on average. Further up on the totem pull, we have the 1080 and 1080ti, though it is unfair to group these and the modern counterparts as the latter have vastly different price tags and all perform very differently, so I will compare the 1080 to the 2080 and the 1080ti to the 2080ti. The 1080 launched with an MSRP of $600, this later being cut by Nvidia to $500. I was unable to find any kind of consistent price history online, so, for sake of argument, we'll average these to what is, in my opinion, a conservative $550. The 2080 launched with an MSRP of $700, its going price about the same. This is our first notable price jump, making the 1080s modern counterpart about 32% more expensive. The performance gains here are still notable, but, admittedly, not to the degree that they can justify the vast markup we see here. As for the 1080ti vs the 2080ti, well, yeah we all know how badly that one goes.

 

So have prices gone up? Well, on the low-end to midrange, not much, and sometimes prices have even gone down. On the high end, yes, they have only managed to offer equivalent value to their older counterparts, and on the ultrahighend we see vast losses in value. So it's bold to say "Graphics card prices are going up so people are going to switch to console!" when the level of GPUs we'll see in the next-gen thereof will at best be around the 2070 mark. And we haven't even talked about the soon-to-come Navi...

I guess we'll have to see what price are like in a month or two in the vast, ever-interesting world of PC hardware.

 

Sources: Wikipiedia (GeForce 10 series, GeForce 16 series, GeForce 20 series), PCPartPicker (Video Cards - Price Trends, Choose A Video Card)


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1 hour ago, Princess Twilight Sparkle said:

How many gamers don’t have both consoles and PCs to play on?

Aside from Sega Master System and GameBoy that I had as a kid, I never owned a console. Why would I?

 

Aside from a few console exclusive games (only one of which I actually care about), PC does everything a console can and more. 


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I am planning on building a ryzen 3000 series apu mini steam box. It will run off lubuntu Linux with steam install and set to auto launch on big picture mode on start up. It will be inside a very small form factor mini itx case. I will be using an Xbox wireless controller. 

 

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16 hours ago, Salv8 (sam) said:

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5 hours ago, fpo said:

Yes, because 90% of PC gamers have the money to buy a new console every 4 years. 

Naturally we were all waiting for ray tracing & subscription game services that cost more than $12 a month that don’t let you cancel anytime. 

Thats true all the PC gamers have the money for that!


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increasing gpu prices?

Well if you can't adapt what kind of gamer are you really?

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19 minutes ago, Christiaan21-03 said:

increasing gpu prices?

Well if you can't adapt what kind of gamer are you really?

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6 hours ago, MoonSpot said:

In what world is an R5 and a 1060 considered old?

Because I'm a mind reading time traveler and we've had this conversation before.  Not bad when those frame timings are nailed down solid, eh?  Not so much when they're not.

Do bare in mind I initially said 'I wouldn't blame them' not that I believe that 20mil ppl would jump from PC to console.

 

P.S.  I really hope you're not comparing a new last year old PC to the original xbox, or I'll have to group you in with the inter-sectional feminist statisticians.

The gtx 1060 was released around the same time the xbox one s was released so yeah it's old. The 1600 is not much newer than them both. Also you are pretty full of it if you are trying to say I am comparing that PC to the original xbox 

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9 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Also you are pretty full of it if you are trying to say I am comparing that PC to the original xbox 

Read the statement again, and read your post where you brought up xbox and you tell me.

My mind-reading time traveler comment earlier was a joke ya know.

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5 hours ago, MoonSpot said:

Read the statement again, and read your post where you brought up xbox and you tell me.

My mind-reading time traveler comment earlier was a joke ya know.

I read it again and still dont see what you are talking about. Anyways bottom line is that I have always had a better experience on PC than I have had on console especially because I was able to achieve good frame rates that the consoles simply dont. 

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20 hours ago, fpo said:

Yes, because 90% of PC gamers have the money to buy a new console every 4 years. 

Naturally we were all waiting for ray tracing & subscription game services that cost more than $12 a month that don’t let you cancel anytime. 

Lol what? Ps4 came out 6 years ago and the ps3 6 before that, for example. Average Pc gaming has upgraded atleast twice within that time frame, at most likely higher the cost of the 2 consoles combined. 12 bucks? buy one less coffee and sandwich a month lol. Also who's not letting you cancel ?


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Word on the street is that people want to switch over to PC, because ridiculous levels of censorship on PS4.

 

Let's see how this plays out. Personally, I don't expect any noticeable changes, since people don't change habits easily, but if I had to bet on a future, I'd put my money on mobile gaming. I'd really prefer a future of VR, but it's still too expensive. Cost for everything you need to do VR (headset, PC, etc.) should be under $200 on the low end, else it's impossible to capture sufficient market share. And it would be completely enough to get games on the level of, say Wolfenstein 3D. Just remember the original GameBoy. Under $100. Far inferior to the competition, but lived for over a decade and sold like crazy.

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On 4/26/2019 at 5:13 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

lul, PC is pretty much the only (viable) platform if you are a competitive player. PC Gaming isn't dying any time soon.

 

The ones who will get consoles are the ones that would buy consoles in the 1st place or really should be using consoles for various reasons.

 

 


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On 4/26/2019 at 11:00 PM, FANGXP said:

According to the analyst, more and more PC gamers will probably shift to consoles because of increasing GPU prices and the inclusion of PC-specific features like 4K and ray tracing in the next-generation of these platforms.

 

On 4/26/2019 at 11:26 PM, mr moose said:

When majority of gamer's only buy mid-range GPU's

I suspect that these 20 million are the ones who think that you always need to upgrade to the newest and most expensive GPU as soon as it comes out, or that you only have to buy Nvidia.

 

On 4/26/2019 at 11:00 PM, FANGXP said:

The coming of streaming services like the Google Stadia 

As if that's going to be cheap.

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5 hours ago, Noctus said:

Lol what? Ps4 came out 6 years ago and the ps3 6 before that, for example. Average Pc gaming has upgraded atleast twice within that time frame, at most likely higher the cost of the 2 consoles combined. 12 bucks? buy one less coffee and sandwich a month lol. Also who's not letting you cancel ?

I ain't. I upgraded once every 6 years. Most hand me downs/freebies!

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