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Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut changes the thermal paste game?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

This product was teased a few months back by Der8auer in a video with GamersNexus. Carbonaut is a thermal pad similar to the IC Graphite Thermal Pad that we have seen from Innovation Cooling. But it is claimed by Der8auer to be more optimised and to perform about as well as an average to low performance thermal paste and better than IC's Graphite Thermal Pads. The one advantage to these carbon/graphite sheets is that they don't have to be replaced meaning they are ideal for graphics cards and applications where a lot of disassembly is required such as in laptops also they don't degrade over time like thermal paste does. However, thermal paste such as Thermal Grizzly's Kryonaut performs much better, but this is the choice that consumers have: Do they want better performance for overclocking and testing or peace of mind knowing they don't have the change their thermal paste on their components most likely for the lifetime of the graphics card or processor.

 

I can't wait to get my hands on this so I never have to replace the thermal paste on my gfx card again. This thermal pad is now on sale from many retailers (which are listed on Thermal Grizzly's website EDIT: Though it looks like its only available as a preorder currently) and has been tested by a couple of people so far, namely ScienceStudio, ToroTocho reviews and Der8auer himself. 

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The Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut pad is a carbon fiber thermal pad. Its special developed polymer results in its flexibility and its soft 'gap filler' properties. The carbon fiber structure ensures excellent thermal conductivity. Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut is lightweight and reusable. In addition, Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut has a very high thermal conductivity even with very little contact pressure. Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut heat transfer performance always remains constant. Note: Carbonaut is electrically conductive.

Carbonaut is available pre-assembled in many standard CPU / GPU sizes.

Size CPU/GPU
32 x 32 Intel Desktop CPUs (115x) e.g 6700K, 7700K, 9900K
38 x 38 Intel 20xx HEDT CPUs and AMD Desktop CPUs. e.g. 7900X, 7980XE, 2700X, 1800X, 6950X
51 x 68 AMD Threadripper CPUs e.g. 1950X, 1920X, 2990WX
25 x 25 Nvidia GPUs (RTX 2080)
31 x 25 Nvidia GPUs (RTX 2080 Ti)

 

Thermal Conductivity

 

62,5 W/mk

Thickness 0,2mm

Temperature

-250 °C / +150 °C

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/thermal-grizzly-carbonaut.828413/

This was only site online that I could find any discussion on sadly. No major sites had any topic relating to this.

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From the initial tests it looks like it performs very well, just as good as paste like MX-4, and unlike the paste it will not pump out or dry out. Seems like a great tool for custom laptop resellers who might have a need to test systems before sending them out (this will save them money since they can reuse pads multiple times) and also a good option for resellers to offer their customers since there's no chance it will leak during shipping (from all the kicking and throwing the shipping company will do to your packages).

 


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My CPU is trying to watch its carb intake.  :s 


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I'm super interested in trying out the Carbonaut thermal pads, at least just out of curiousity. I watched Science Studio's video on it and was thoroughly impressed by the thermal performance.

 

I've been using Kryonaut for some time and I'm happy with the cooling performance it has with my 8600K running at 4.9GHz and never hitting 65. It would be cool to see how my PC would do with a Carbonaut pad substituting in for my beloved Kryonaut.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Kryonaut is the best thermal paste you can get right now. Period. Well, short of going liquid metal. The results will probably be not as good. But the massive benefit at least to OEM's, pre-builts and ordinary people building computers is that performance won't degrade over time and so you won't have to replace it.


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Price needs to be right for OEMs to get on board, both in acquisition price and assembly tooling costs. It's hard to imagine this becoming cheaper than dollops of cheap goop any time soon, if ever.

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They keep on saying it could be thinner. Well any thinner and that thing will simply slip out between the cpu and heatsink, once you stand the machine back up. Then you see a bunch of people giving 1 star reviews saying how crap that thing is.

Also that video can be 2-3 minutes long, instead he managed to drag on for 12 minutes without show too much, except for flopping it in his hands.


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Yeah probably not a massive benefit to OEM's actually considering the Pre-Order price from OverclockersUK is £8.99 starting with the smallest size and going up to £20.99 for Threadripper, but anyone building their own will never have to buy paste ever again. That is if they don't care about having the absolute BEST performance.


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Also mounting pressure is also very key too as thermal paste will fill in any of the gaps and irregularities in the IHS and heatsink block whereas this thermal pad might not do that to the same extent. It will be interesting to see how it performs and if it is able to be consistent across builds.


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Sounds like the best thing to do if you want a worry free and "good" running system, pretty much forever, is to lap the CPU and cooler block, then use this stuff.  More work up front, but "set it and forget it" once you finally get it all set.  For somebody like me, if it actually performs well (not for top overclocking, but keeping thermals good and cooling rpms down in the process), then it would indeed be ideal.  I'm all about "I only did it once, because I did it right."

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1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

Also that video can be 2-3 minutes long, instead he managed to drag on for 12 minutes without show too much, except for flopping it in his hands.

What is amateur porn


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I'd be interested in this for my server builds more than anything. For desktop I'd try it, but think I'd probably go back to regular high performance TIM again... for me it's no bother spending not even 2 minutes cleaning and re-applying thermal paste when I need to.


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11 hours ago, Albal_156 said:

From the initial tests it looks like it performs very well, just as good as paste like MX-4

If it's as good as MX-4 then it's as good as any other thermal paste, liquid metal not being a paste. I'd like to see some further tests because I'm a tad doubtful but if true then it should be great. Like all the other pastes on the market and tests of them the difference is so marginal that it doesn't matter, you'd have to be operating outside standard temperatures to care and that's more about if the paste works at all not how thermally good it is.

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Why Kryonaut you say?  Because I only had enough paste left over last night to only do half a cpu...made it work and temps are amazing.  Will try these out for sure.  Wanting to tear down my GPU and repaste and was going to order some Kryo today may as well get some pads!


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Not a game changer for consumers, but cool thing for OEM's. It doesn't degrade since people buying such systems usually run them for very long and never maintain them. Plus, application of carbon ribbons on CPU is easier than spreading paste.

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21 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Well any thinner and that thing will simply slip out between the cpu and heatsink, once you stand the machine back up.

Last time I checked, friction existed

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12 hours ago, leadeater said:

If it's as good as MX-4 then it's as good as any other thermal paste, liquid metal not being a paste. I'd like to see some further tests because I'm a tad doubtful but if true then it should be great. Like all the other pastes on the market and tests of them the difference is so marginal that it doesn't matter, you'd have to be operating outside standard temperatures to care and that's more about if the paste works at all not how thermally good it is.

This.  If you care about thermal performance that much, upgrading the stiffness of the springs your waterblock or heatsink uses is more important than whatever paste is going on there.  Fix weak mounting pressure and the difference between the best thermal paste and the worst is about 1-2C.  (because when it's a few microns thick it isn't the limiting factor in the weighted average of the thermal resistance)


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interesting that it's 62.5 w/mK which is way higher than most thermal pastes I've seen... yet it performs worse than those same said thermal pastes


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23 hours ago, Albal_156 said:

But the massive benefit at least to OEM's, pre-builts and ordinary people building computers

Like they'd ever use these xD we all know those PCs get the 10 cent tube that looks like it's filled with animal semen...

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I wonder how well this will put up with a 8700K @ 4.7GHz on 1.25v. If it does good then that'll be a whole load off me, which is good because I can't exactly go through replacing thermal paste every few years.


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On 4/23/2019 at 11:04 AM, NumLock21 said:

Also that video can be 2-3 minutes long, instead he managed to drag on for 12 minutes without show too much, except for flopping it in his hands.

+1 pretty poor review. No voltages, CPU, cooler etc given and only on a single test. Might as well have not done the video if he is going to put farkoll effort into it.

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1 hour ago, bcredeur97 said:

interesting that it's 62.5 w/mK which is way higher than most thermal pastes I've seen... yet it performs worse than those same said thermal pastes

I think this is the thermal conductivity of the material and not the specific pad. Think the pad does not make 100% contact with the die and/or is thicker than what most applications of thermal paste would be once the cooler is on (thermal paste kinda get squeezed out of the high spots with a few micron thick layer remaining so basically 'perfect' metal to metal contact) and just fills the low spots.  

 

Curious to see what the results will be with lapped CPU and cooler and maybe even saturating the thing with a bit of thermal paste to increase contact area. Latter will probably make things worse. 

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3 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

interesting that it's 62.5 w/mK which is way higher than most thermal pastes I've seen... yet it performs worse than those same said thermal pastes

Thickness is the reason.

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I'm using the Thermal Grizzly, non-conductive stuff on my 1080ti which easily hits 2.0Ghz, and after a year and a half, I have seen no degradation.

 

It still runs at slightly above ambient, despite sharing the same cooling loop as a CPU that runs, on average, 10 degrees hotter with factory turbo.

 

Meh?

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On 4/22/2019 at 5:38 PM, Albal_156 said:

This product was teased a few months back by Der8auer in a video with GamersNexus. Carbonaut is a thermal pad similar to the IC Graphite Thermal Pad that we have seen from Innovation Cooling. But it is claimed by Der8auer to be more optimised and to perform about as well as an average to low performance thermal paste and better than IC's Graphite Thermal Pads. The one advantage to these carbon/graphite sheets is that they don't have to be replaced meaning they are ideal for graphics cards and applications where a lot of disassembly is required such as in laptops also they don't degrade over time like thermal paste does. However, thermal paste such as Thermal Grizzly's Kryonaut performs much better, but this is the choice that consumers have: Do they want better performance for overclocking and testing or peace of mind knowing they don't have the change their thermal paste on their components most likely for the lifetime of the graphics card or processor.

 

I can't wait to get my hands on this so I never have to replace the thermal paste on my gfx card again. This thermal pad is now on sale from many retailers (which are listed on Thermal Grizzly's website EDIT: Though it looks like its only available as a preorder currently) and has been tested by a couple of people so far, namely ScienceStudio, ToroTocho reviews and Der8auer himself. 

ScienceStudio

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Der8auer

Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/thermal-grizzly-carbonaut.828413/

This was only site online that I could find any discussion on sadly. No major sites had any topic relating to this.

 

You should get a test delided cpu and just put it on the die and test it for cooling also,Be very interesting on what happens.

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