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Vega finally beats RTX? Vulkan strikes again!

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30 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

AMD had technical wins before. What they need is to capitalize on those: a couple of games isn't going to do it and they just don't have the bank to outspend Nvidia when it comes to purchasing developers to optimize (That is to say, they could but it would be risky to eat up all the company's success on processors just to prop up GPUs)

 

They need to bet heavier and harder on pushing Vulkan and people away from windows. I am not saying is going to be easy or that it will work but there's probably never going to be a better chance to push back and try and gain some market back.

amd should also push for consoles to advertise in a way that the consoles are powered by them

which would be better branding imho

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2 hours ago, BluJay614 said:

Well now, ain't that something. At 1080, even the air cooled Vega 64 which start at $420 (if you can find one) is readily beating the ~$1100+ RTX 2080 Ti. Even the $279+ Vega 56 is matching the 2080 Ti in the lows, and is 11 FPS lower in the average, which would make it a smoother experience, at that that high a framerate, more people won't be able to tell the difference.

As impressive as it looks I seriously doubt this is anything but mostly down to lack of optimization for Nvidia GPUs. What's plagued AMD in the past is the inability to turn the raw spec performance in to comparative performance of similar spec Nvidia GPUs, but here we have an AMD 8.2 TFLOP GPU matching an Nvidia 11.7 TFLOP GPU and there is no magic that will ever let that happen unless there is a lack of optimization for Nvidia.

 

At least at the higher resolutions things balance out a lot more and Vega 56 is around the RTX 2080 which are roughly the same 'raw compute' performance (not that historically that means anything at all).

 

Other interesting thing seems to stick out to me as well, the game doesn't appear to be VRAM bandwidth demanding at all. We're seeing the Radeon VII and Vega 64 very close to each other which is correct but again only 'raw compute' spec wise.

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30 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Honestly at this point I would hope Sony goes for Vulkan instead of making their own again. There's no reason for any game to ship without both DX12 and Vulkan now. It almost is as simple as use Vulkan get more FPS

Sony uses forks of OpenGL with there own specific customization to match the hardware GPU customization and to better tailor it to the fixed hardware platform they have. I'd expect similar for the PS5, just a fork of Vulkan this time.

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1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

Its at least the 3rd one.


You miss Forza Horizon 4?

https://gamegpu.com/racing-simulators-/-гонки/forza-horizon-4-demo-test-gpu-cpu

 

 

And also Ni No Kuni 2 as well:

https://gamegpu.com/rpg/ролевые/ni-no-kuni-ii-revenant-kingdom-test-gpu-cpu

 

Doesn't look to o bad in Resident evil either...

This has no 2000 series cards on bench.

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3 minutes ago, 7Hertz said:

This has no 2000 series cards on bench.

it also doesn't have the Radeon 7, but both is due to the fact it was not out. so it was 2 current flag ships vs each other.

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3 minutes ago, 7Hertz said:

This has no 2000 series cards on bench.

Might want to look at the Date...

 

PS: ever tried Wildlands with your 2000 Series nVidia??

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Just now, Stefan Payne said:

Might want to look at the Date...

 

PS: ever tried Wildlands with your 2000 Series nVidia??

No since i have Vega 56, might want to chill on the fanboying.

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3 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

it also doesn't have the Radeon 7, but both is due to the fact it was not out. so it was 2 current flag ships vs each other.

Yes which points out it was just to push up the AMD brand rather than anything objective.

If people think AMD are going to knock a dent into Nvidia with just this, they are hugely delusional.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, 7Hertz said:

Yes which points out it was just to push up the AMD brand rather than anything objective.

If people think AMD are going to knock a dent into Nvidia with just this, they are hugely delusional.

 

 

how so?

 

all people are saying is it makes AMD more competitive in some games, no need to be all sensitive about it.

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Just now, The Benjamins said:

how so?

 

all people are saying is it makes AMD more competitive in some games, no need to be all sensitive about it.

Objectivity is not sensitivity.

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5 minutes ago, 7Hertz said:

Objectivity is not sensitivity.

how is these test not objective and pushing AMDs brand instead?

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6 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

how is these test not objective and pushing AMDs brand instead?

Are we on the same page? my replies are towards stephen, that is why i used the quote function.

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Wish macOS would add Vulkan now that they have all but gotten rid of OpenGL.  

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55 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Sony uses forks of OpenGL with there own specific customization to match the hardware GPU customization and to better tailor it to the fixed hardware platform they have. I'd expect similar for the PS5, just a fork of Vulkan this time.

Sure but last time they had 2 different API's and honestly the low level one was not that close to opengl i thought? I would want them to basically just use Vulkan with maybe extra optimizations, an actual fork rather than inspiration

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49 minutes ago, 7Hertz said:

Yes which points out it was just to push up the AMD brand rather than anything objective.

If people think AMD are going to knock a dent into Nvidia with just this, they are hugely delusional.

 

 

Well...... In the end that is down to how much traction Vulcan gets with consoles and titles. 

 

Its a Very good API, especially with GCN hardware. Something both Sony and M$ leverages

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1 hour ago, leadeater said:

here we have an AMD 8.2 TFLOP GPU matching an Nvidia 11.7 TFLOP GPU

When have you ever seen anyone use TFLOP as an actual performance metric beyond AMD or Nvidia themselves?

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1 hour ago, pas008 said:

amd should also push for consoles to advertise in a way that the consoles are powered by them

which would be better branding imho

More visibility in the fact that these are consoles powered by them would work, I definitively think it wouldn't hurt them to put in for more visibility in their overall deals with Sony and Microsoft.

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Anyone ever thought it's not "this game is specifically optimized for AMD" but more like everyone else don't care to optimize games for AMD which is why it's so bad everywhhere else? I mean, for RX 590 to be hitting such high performance levels or Vega 56 even, you ask yourself what all other games are doing wrong that AMD is so much worse, but absolutely annihilates NVIDIA here... One thing is few frames difference, not almost low/mid end card going avgainst top of the line one...

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15 minutes ago, BluJay614 said:

When have you ever seen anyone use TFLOP as an actual metric beyond AMD or Nvidia themselves?

last 20yrs of tech

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28 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said:

Sure but last time they had 2 different API's and honestly the low level one was not that close to opengl i thought? I would want them to basically just use Vulkan with maybe extra optimizations, an actual fork rather than inspiration

PS3 used PSGL and PS4 uses GNM/GNMX, which I think the latter one is a new but still rework of what they had renamed. There's not a lot of specific information about GNM but it's very unlikely to not be based on something like OpenGL as an actual ground up API is far too much work, I know Sony goes a bit insane with consoles but not that much.

 

GNM is low-level hardware access and GNMX is higher-level access aimed at smaller devs and for quicker projects etc, GNMX is first point of call unless you really need that extra performance/optimization.

 

As it is it's very similar to Vulkan and DX12 which both have high and low level access.

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3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

last 20yrs of tech

What reviewers that are reliable and trustworthy use it. I don't mean bringing up the claims, I mean ACTUALLY use it.

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3 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Wait people use Nvidia software? I thought they installed it for drivers and just use anything else instead of it

Yeah people use it for drivers as it's easy quick opposed to looking up the driver on Nvidia's website and going that route. But by having it installed it's sending some nasty data back to them. I'd suggest getting a pihole

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